Thread: Turkey decides to build first war plane

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Turkey may also be reading the writing on the wall. The UK is drastically slashing it's defense budget...the US is positioning itself to do the same. Whereas in the past these two nations combined for the vast majority of NATO's defense efforts, that won't be the case forever. I'm glad to see they're taking things seriously. The world isn't suddenly going to calm down because the Americans draw back.

I get the impression a lot of countries are ramping up their militaries in preparation for a more multi-polar future. The US and the UK are drawing down somewhat, Russia is looking rather ambitious, and if Iran sparks off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East a heftier conventional military wouldn't be bad to have as well. Similar situation in east Asia with China and NK making everybody a little nervous.

Originally Posted by denizkuvetleri

Turkey's military is more than capable of responding to any external threats it may face from countries which it has public rifts with [emphasis added].

How could one find out about a country's threat perception? Simple. Just read the transcripts from the Turkish Grand National Assembly. Yes, not all threats are publicly discussed but a majority of them are.

this answers shows that you have absolutely NO logical basis for your "Turkey is spending more than it is required according to it's threat perception." thesis.

a country's threat perception can not be understood that easily....you have NOTHING but some low budget conpiracy theories...

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

So debates are now considered National Policy? Oh man, you are a consipiracy addict. Turkey's Defence White Paper should be enough reference.

Sir,

i think this is the end of debate.

Troung,

so do you think that Greeks would support Turks against such threat?

so do you think that Greeks would support Turks against such threat?

You mean back during the Cold War?

yes?

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

So debates are now considered National Policy? Oh man, you are a consipiracy addict. Turkey's Defence White Paper should be enough reference.

Who ultimately formulates the National Policy? The Government through advice from their National Security Councils (composed of Military professional and civilian representatives of the State). Where does the Government ultimately discuss it's policy and present it to the opposition parties? The Parliament. What does Hansard contain? The official published verbatim report of the proceedings of a parliamentary body.

This is not a consipiracy theory. This is how parliamentary democracies work.

N.B. I stated in my initial post that not all threats are publicly discussed but most are.

Originally Posted by denizkuvetleri

Who ultimately formulates the National Policy? The Government through advice from their National Security Councils (composed of Military professional and civilian representatives of the State). Where does the Government ultimately discuss it's policy and present it to the opposition parties? The Parliament. What does Hansard contain? The official published verbatim report of the proceedings of a parliamentary body.

Wrong. Legislation is decided through Parliment. Policies are decided by the Executive bound by legislation. Parliment has no say which unit does what. And the reason you read policy instead of hansard is that policy ignores the stupidity of Parliment where every MP gets his say whether he is knowledgeable or speaking out of his crack.

Apparently, you listen to anything and everything without filtering out the BS.

Originally Posted by denizkuvetleri

This is not a consipiracy theory. This is how parliamentary democracies work.

Oh get off it! I know how Parliment works. Canada has a Parliment a lot longer than Turkey has and in the end, it's the Cabinet who decides policy based on their own very legislation that they passed. There's a reason why the Chiefs don't listen to Opposition demands. They don't have to answer to them. They have to answer their questions but they're forbidden to obey Opposition consipiracy dreams.

Originally Posted by denizkuvetleri

N.B. I stated in my initial post that not all threats are publicly discussed but most are.

Wrong. All threats are identified to the public. You're spending their money and they have a right to know what it is being spent on. "Trust me" does not and has never worked. The specifics may be class protected but the threat is not.

Than it can be easily ignored.

However, the post was very well deserving of comment.

My whole thread is gone....We have digressed far too much. :-(

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Wrong. Legislation is decided through Parliment. Policies are decided by the Executive bound by legislation. Parliment has no say which unit does what. And the reason you read policy instead of hansard is that policy ignores the stupidity of Parliment where every MP gets his say whether he is knowledgeable or speaking out of his crack.

Apparently, you listen to anything and everything without filtering out the BS.

I think he was pointing out, to the executive of the Government, through the National Security Council. And by the term Government, at any time they could dissolve, as it is appointed by the party with the Majoirty within Parliment.