vishv29

firstly,stop overestimating F-16's.u people r i think vastly influenced by watching programmes like wings or ultimate machines on discovery which r created by americans only.ohh kill records by f-16's? against which countries???

ammm yes serbia,iraq ohhh ya mighty afganistan.

or isreli f-16' shotting down syrian mig 29's.( they too operate under awacs )

us f-16 under awacs umbrella against mighty airforces like iraq,afganistan, wow.

hey *****, what u think? if get f-16,u will become another usa?and against whome u r gonna fight? afganistan? which has no airforce,no awacs,no professional; forces? before u get ur f-16's phalcon awacs will be operational in our airforce. ur f-16's will be detected even at 100 feets from the ground. and our monsters MKI's will shot them like a flies.our pilots are now high quality coz they get more flying hours than u.off course ur poor country cannot afford so much fly hours. not to mention abt mirage2000's,mig 29's jaguars.and yes indian mig 29's are capable than any other mig 29's in the world. not to mention mig29 m2's. i m not saying that our planes are better but plz dont think pakistan can perform like usa in the war and that too against india. plzzz, it is pakistan,not america. dont make me laugh. god knows if tommorrow goes something wrong with musshy in pak thay may not even get those f-16's. afterall who had expected 9/11 even. so let f-16 join first, see what u get to arm them with,and then talk.

highsea

Another worthless post in a worthless thread. Keep up the good work, guys.

Sad, I remember when there was actually some decent discussion in this forum. Looks no different that PakDef these days.

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Guys lets not get personal here, I just wanted to know if te IAF Baaz Mig 29's were a match against the f 16 blk 50+ series, regardless of who flies them...

I was always a fan of the MiG 29, and was wondering If the IAF Baaz's were upto the excellent avionics EW suites etc the F 16's have.

Ofcourse the Baaz is better than the old Pak f 16s, they dont even have BVR.

Lets not indulge in unnecessary country bashing here, keep it cool.

Anywayz I have my answer, thanks to those who gave an objective opinion...
im more informed now :-)

ajaybhutani

I m an indian living in the heart of the capital city reading 3 newspapers a day. do u guys really think i have missed something.. ??
Pakistan is just on the taking table because its options are getting closed with kashmirs dying terrorism, the dams built in india to control their water supply.Increased american stronghold on Pakistan. Paksitan has a history of acting stupid when it comes to peace with india. Musharraf might sign a big peace treaty make leaps and bounds. But firstly hesnt an elected leader and secondly he wont last for ever. So the real test of relations will be when the mussharraf falls./steps down.I he stays for longer sentiments against him will also work against india. If he falls te new govts new agnda will very well be against india. Comeon guys paksitan hasnt yes moved even an inch on the non kashmir issues.Thy havent even given India a MFN status. A few games of cricket dsnt make enemies best frnds.
Relations were going on well with Atal and Nawaz but there are too many fools in pakistan.Musharraf might have become sane but he hasnt been able to control terrorism and unless terrorism is controlled the real peace measures will never start.Peace is miles ahead.and its just the beginning of the journey and pakistan ahs a track record of running back after tbe 100 m mark.Let it cross the 100 m mark then we will see if theres a chance (let it talk some real concessions.Talking about concessions isnt jsut good nough a signal with paksitan in picture),..

uss

[quote=ajaybhutani] Musharraf might have become sane but he hasnt been able to control terrorism and unless terrorism is controlled the real peace measures will never start.[quote]

I agree with you Ajay and take it a step further. you give too much credit to Musharraf. i hope you are right. India, I feel is playing with fire. Silly, intellectual politicians think they are on a "peace train", thier intellectual pleasantries might have disastrous results for the common man.

Expect India to trust Musharraf? Remember he was the one who conjured up the Kargil fiasco not 6 years ago. He is known for holding a grudge against india because of the 71 war.

Heck even the Pakistanis don't trust him. How can you possibly trust the leadership of a man who turned tables on his own Prime Minister after having just been promoted by him? Give the guy half a chance and he will attack india. Bhutto, sharif anyone was is fine, but this man is one dangerous chap. time and again, he has shown his intentions (Kargil, 2001 parliament attack, continuing cross border stuff, nuclear proliferation).

I'm not worried about the mullas in Pakistan getting hold of the govt., i'm concerned with a more immediate problem - gen. musharraf. Why? At least with the rabid jehadis, you know what options you have, one can take clear cut action. With this chap, you have no idea. I would be expecting to be stabbed in the back anytime, nasty feeling it is.

The U.S. is dancing a dangerous tune. they did this in the 80s by helping the ISI Vs. USSR despite India's warnings (please refer to 'Engaging India' by the former dep. secy of state, S. Talbott - makes for some v.interesting reading esp. w.reg. to Pakistan). this time the consequences could be a lot worse.

Regards,
USS.

ajaybhutani

The IAF Mig29 are about to be upgraded soon. Most prob to at least what all exists in M /SMT standard or even better with indian/israeli parts. Though i still dont think it might be up to the mark for Blk 50 F16. Though i havent done a comparison yet.Will check the details when i get time.

Dima

thank you both Troung and USS, thank you very much, i will indeed look at those links

vishv29, take it easy, calm down, don't make an racial or anti-national statements, keep it cool, keep it mature

"I m an indian living in the heart of the capital city reading 3 newspapers a day. do u guys really think i have missed something.. ??"

that's why i hate newspapers lol, i use the web, and visit 6 websites daily regarding Russia, occassionaly, i get some news on India because they are so important to Russia

MiG-29M and SMT will be capable of attacking ground targets forties, so, because you said that America is uwilling to give Pakistan the JDAM, perhaps, the MiG-29M's will outperform the F-16's in ground attacks as well, perhaps? maybe not

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ajaybhutani

When i say newspapers i include their official websites in for reading too along with the printed version.. as tehre are a lot of stuff missing from either.

vishv29

dima friend,
u r misunderstanding me.i m not getting personal and that too against pak. i was talking abt american war devices. isnt it true that after the breakup of soviet unioun usa has not met with any potential entity? the wars they have faught against any country even with iraq of 1991,just compare the overall strength of these countries against usa.(economically,militerily,technically,intallige nce). F-16 is a good fighter, but when it comes into indo-pak senerio not us-india above four bracketed factors should also be taken into mind.

Dima

yea, i hate national news, it's all about international news

oh, good vishv, just sounded like you were getting mad and kind of out of control, just keep it calm, it's only a forum

no point in losing your cool like highsea everytime someone asks a simple question, it's only a forum(i don't mean that as an offence)

it is true thoguh, what you say, America has not fought anyone of comparable power since Korea, maybe even perhaps Vietnam

just4nikhilesh

at cope india nidian mig 21 perform well against f 15 . and at kargil war mig 29 force pak f 16

just4nikhilesh

I m an indian living in the heart of the capital city reading 3 newspapers a day. do u guys really think i have missed something.. ??
Pakistan is just on the taking table because its options are getting closed with kashmirs dying terrorism, the dams built in india to control their water supply.Increased american stronghold on Pakistan. Paksitan has a history of acting stupid when it comes to peace with india. Musharraf might sign a big peace treaty make leaps and bounds. But firstly hesnt an elected leader and secondly he wont last for ever. So the real test of relations will be when the mussharraf falls./steps down.I he stays for longer sentiments against him will also work against india. If he falls te new govts new agnda will very well be against india. Comeon guys paksitan hasnt yes moved even an inch on the non kashmir issues.Thy havent even given India a MFN status. A few games of cricket dsnt make enemies best frnds.
Relations were going on well with Atal and Nawaz but there are too many fools in pakistan.Musharraf might have become sane but he hasnt been able to control terrorism and unless terrorism is controlled the real peace measures will never start.Peace is miles ahead.and its just the beginning of the journey and pakistan ahs a track record of running back after tbe 100 m mark.Let it cross the 100 m mark then we will see if theres a chance (let it talk some real concessions.Talking about concessions isnt jsut good nough a signal with paksitan in picture)

sohamsri

How come you love restarting year old threads ?

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