IAF MiG 29 Baaz Vs F16 blk 50+. F 15 E - Page 2

ajaybhutani · 04-26-2005, 00:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dima

well, consider that in all cases, the enym was outnumbered by Ameican forces, the American forces had significantly better intel on the situation, more support, better pilots, poorly maintained aircraft by the opponent, inferior training, no support=overwhelming victory, just makes sense

all this cannot rule out that the americans made their machines better ones by putting in better technologies.Finally at the end of the day what matters is wether u win the war or not rather than wether ur machine was better or not.

Blademaster · 04-26-2005, 00:45 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"since he didnt even care to mention the version of the aircrafts and looked down upon Mig29 as having inferior in almost all respects.I think thats just not the case."

It's certainly been the case once the missiles started flying in real combat. No F-16 has ever been lost A2A to a Mig-29, whereas the F-16 has downed many Mig-29s in it's career.

Wanna make a bet when the next Indo-Pak war breaks out? I could sure use some of your hard won money.

Anon · 04-26-2005, 11:32 AM

"well, consider that in all cases, the enym was outnumbered by Ameican forces, the American forces had significantly better intel on the situation, more support, better pilots, poorly maintained aircraft by the opponent, inferior training, no support=overwhelming victory, just makes sense"

That'll likely be the case regardless of what the enemy is flying.

Anon · 04-26-2005, 11:33 AM

"Wanna make a bet when the next Indo-Pak war breaks out? I could sure use some of your hard won money."

Sure, i'd happily bet that the Pak F-16s can maintain a better than 1:1 kill ratio against IAF Mig-29s.

The Pak F-16 pilots are the most elite in the PAF, whereas the top Indian pilots fly the SU-30.

Blademaster · 04-26-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"Wanna make a bet when the next Indo-Pak war breaks out? I could sure use some of your hard won money."

Sure, i'd happily bet that the Pak F-16s can maintain a better than 1:1 kill ratio against IAF Mig-29s.

The Pak F-16 pilots are the most elite in the PAF, whereas the top Indian pilots fly the SU-30.

Ok how about $100 dollars?

Anon · 04-26-2005, 12:00 PM

Sure.

Let me know when the war starts.

lemontree · 04-26-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Sure.

Let me know when the war starts.

When the PAF F-16 sqns are full strength, and when they upgrade their T-59s, and as the US gets busy alse where. Then there will be a war, a short one though.

I will not bet on any one (IAF or PAF), especially not the three Ws...
Woman
Weather
War
Thankfully I was an infanteer, and was part of the winning effort in the fighting that has been fought thus far.

In the air every thing will depend on Early warning. That will be the key to success.

ajaybhutani · 04-26-2005, 14:37 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

"Wanna make a bet when the next Indo-Pak war breaks out? I could sure use some of your hard won money."

Sure, i'd happily bet that the Pak F-16s can maintain a better than 1:1 kill ratio against IAF Mig-29s.

The Pak F-16 pilots are the most elite in the PAF, whereas the top Indian pilots fly the SU-30.

The Pak F16s dont even have BVR(while the indian Mig29s will be armed with R77.

troung · 04-26-2005, 15:41 PM

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The Pak F16s dont even have BVR(while the indian Mig29s will be armed with R77.

You been watching the news

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When the PAF F-16 sqns are full strength, and when they upgrade their T-59s, and as the US gets busy alse where. Then there will be a war, a short one though.

I doubt they are that silly to openly start a war (well openly fire the first shot) knowing the sanctions we will slap on them because Pakistan fighting India has never been the reason we armed them.

sniperdude411 · 04-26-2005, 16:54 PM

I'm sure Pakistan would start a War if John Kerry were president... He'd do ansolutely nothing because "War is bad. Very bad, and barbaric; NOTHING is worth war." a.k.a. "I'm a miserable creature."

ajaybhutani · 04-26-2005, 21:23 PM

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Originally Posted by troung

I doubt they are that silly to openly start a war (well openly fire the first shot) knowing the sanctions we will slap on them because Pakistan fighting India has never been the reason we armed them.

1. With the considerable decrease in the cross border terrorism in J&K Pakistans only options run as either talking peace or else come to war(they dont have other ways of solving the dispute.). Musharraf might be managing the things quite nicely but he wont last for ever on the seat.
2. the reason why Paksitan is arming itself asking for more and more american arms is the increased indian military strength. Wether the ameircans give them to paksitan for india or not . They will be used against india as the main target.

Dima · 04-26-2005, 22:25 PM

you guys relaly think that there will be a war between the two nations, i just think that it's a mini-Cold War in between the two nations, as Ajay said, both sides are just arming up, maybe as a precaution, to be prepared

so, if there is a war, when do you guys think it will occur?

ajaybhutani · 04-26-2005, 22:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dima

you guys relaly think that there will be a war between the two nations, i just think that it's a mini-Cold War in between the two nations, as Ajay said, both sides are just arming up, maybe as a precaution, to be prepared

so, if there is a war, when do you guys think it will occur?

rite now there are only two options war or peace table.The traditional pakistani ideas of terrorism arent working well for it. Peace is quite dependent till when musharraf remains in power. All war preprations are if musharraf falls what then?

gangsta540i · 04-26-2005, 22:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaybhutani

1. With the considerable decrease in the cross border terrorism in J&K Pakistans only options run as either talking peace or else come to war(they dont have other ways of solving the dispute.). Musharraf might be managing the things quite nicely but he wont last for ever on the seat.
2. the reason why Paksitan is arming itself asking for more and more american arms is the increased indian military strength. Wether the ameircans give them to paksitan for india or not . They will be used against india as the main target.

Totally agree ajaybhutani, and with this increased indian strength it's only natural that pakistan feels threatened and no doubt whatever they purchase it will definetely be used with india as the main target.

gangsta540i · 04-26-2005, 23:01 PM

In response to which is better the IAF Mig 29 and Fi6 I have to go with the Mig29. First off the pilots that fly the Mig are really good for the indian airforce, not to mention these aircraft in the indian airforce are well maintained and kept in ready to strike shape. Secondly the aircraft to my knowledge are getting upgraded not to mention the K versions that are upgraded to decrease some of the weaknesses of the Mig 29.

The Mig29M2 is also on the table from russia for 126 plane contract and these are much better planes but the Indian airforce will most definetely if not already are gonna upgrade the existing fleet to compete with it's enemies. Hopefully they make a MKI version like their bigger brother the awesome, intimidating, machine the Su30 MKI.

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04-26-2005, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"well, consider that in all cases, the enym was outnumbered by Ameican forces, the American forces had significantly better intel on the situation, more support, better pilots, poorly maintained aircraft by the opponent, inferior training, no support=overwhelming victory, just makes sense" That'll likely be the case regardless of what the enemy is flying.

04-26-2005, 11:33 AM	#19 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"Wanna make a bet when the next Indo-Pak war breaks out? I could sure use some of your hard won money." Sure, i'd happily bet that the Pak F-16s can maintain a better than 1:1 kill ratio against IAF Mig-29s. The Pak F-16 pilots are the most elite in the PAF, whereas the top Indian pilots fly the SU-30.

04-26-2005, 12:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Sure. Let me know when the war starts.

04-26-2005, 16:54 PM	#25 (permalink)
sniperdude411 Thats me with my precious *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 02-06-05 Location: Lancaster PA, (Crystal Lake IL). Posts: 1,189	I'm sure Pakistan would start a War if John Kerry were president... He'd do ansolutely nothing because "War is bad. Very bad, and barbaric; NOTHING is worth war." a.k.a. "I'm a miserable creature."

04-26-2005, 23:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
gangsta540i Regular Join Date: 03-25-05 Posts: 28	In response to which is better the IAF Mig 29 and Fi6 I have to go with the Mig29. First off the pilots that fly the Mig are really good for the indian airforce, not to mention these aircraft in the indian airforce are well maintained and kept in ready to strike shape. Secondly the aircraft to my knowledge are getting upgraded not to mention the K versions that are upgraded to decrease some of the weaknesses of the Mig 29. The Mig29M2 is also on the table from russia for 126 plane contract and these are much better planes but the Indian airforce will most definetely if not already are gonna upgrade the existing fleet to compete with it's enemies. Hopefully they make a MKI version like their bigger brother the awesome, intimidating, machine the Su30 MKI.

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