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    SU-30MKV vs EF Typhoon...

    purely becuase i'm interested, and in no way related to a Venezuelan buffoon sticking his nose into other peoples business and no doubt stirring things up to the discomfort of the two main parties, could the more aeronautically minded posters amongst us give an indication of the relative strengths and weaknesses of these two platforms and how they might perform against each other in the various ranges of A2A combat..?

    in addition, could they possibly outline the SU-30MKV's strike/interdiction/AShW capability?

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    If i'm not mistaken, the Knaapo made MKV is a generally inferior aircraft in A2A. I think the Chinese first ordered these (the MK2) for PLAN. So their primary role would be AShW, not A2A.
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    I recall those diagrams from Carlo Kopp, which doesn't mean much at all.

    edit: whoa...this is weird...I saw the diagrams, posted my reply, all before the diagrams are posted...
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    some nice drawings...
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    .. and some bad numbers (well, I spent 30 mins with Mr. G and try to collect as much as I could. Didn't cross check them.)

    Normal take-off
    EF-2K: 17,000 kg
    Su-30MK: 24,900 kg

    MTOW
    EF-2K: 23,500 kg
    Su-30MK: 38,800 kg

    Internal Fuel
    EF-2K: 5,000 kg
    Su-30MK: 9,640 kg

    Maximal Payload
    EF-2K: 7,500 kg
    Su-30MK: 8,000 kg

    Maximal Speed, 11,000 m
    EF-2K: 2.00 Mach
    Su-30MK: 2.00 Mach

    Climb rate
    EF-2K: 315 m/sec, sea-level
    Su-30MK: 300m/s

    Operational Altitude
    EF-2K: 65,000 fts
    Su-30MK: 56,800 fts

    Ferry range
    EF-2K: 2,600 km (Internal Fuel)
    Su-30MK: 5,000 km (Internal Fuel), 8,000km with refueling

    Normal upper G-limit
    EF-2K: 9G
    Su-30MK: 9G

    Take-off with standard A-A configuration
    EF-2K: 228 ~ 275 m Emergency take-off to 457 m Normal take-off.
    Su-30MK: 550m Normal take-off.

    Landing
    EF-2K: 500 to 700 m
    Su-30MK: 750 m with parachute

    Radar's range
    EF-2K: Tracking target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 160 ~ 185 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 200 to 272 km away
    Su-30MK: Tracking 200km, Searching 350km, 60km in the rear

    Maximal horizontal scanning angle of Radar
    EF-2K: +/- 70 degrees
    Su-30MK: +/- 60 degrees

    Capability of multiple target engagement
    EF-2K: Tracking 20 and engagine 6 to 8.
    Su-30MK: Tracking 15 and engagine 4 to 6.

    RCS
    EF-2K: 1m2
    Su-30MK: 10m2

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I recall those diagrams from Carlo Kopp, which doesn't mean much at all.

    edit: whoa...this is weird...I saw the diagrams, posted my reply, all before the diagrams are posted...
    There's something wrong with the clock. Your post is ..1 hour older than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanswu25 View Post
    some nice drawings...
    uh... Whats the IRST's Detection and Tracking Range on the Su-30?

    How can it Possibly be greater than the Aim-120's engagement range???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr9527 View Post
    uh... Whats the IRST's Detection and Tracking Range on the Su-30?

    How can it Possibly be greater than the Aim-120's engagement range???
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    i take it then those diagrams are shite..?

    do we think the RCS figures that hanswu25 managed to find are reliable? if so, thats a pretty massive difference... assuming they were reliable, or that their 'relativism' was kind of correct, what would be the real life performances of the systems on each aircraft?
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    Dave I think your on the money. Again I'd defer to Highsea for some fierce criticism, but that looks like some Anti Hornet/JSF propaganda from Carlo Kopp.

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    Carlo Kopp.......


    LOL, do we really need to beat the dead horse? Kopp is a joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tronic View Post
    If i'm not mistaken, the Knaapo made MKV is a generally inferior aircraft in A2A. I think the Chinese first ordered these (the MK2) for PLAN. So their primary role would be AShW, not A2A.
    Because the Su-30MKK's Zhuk-MSE radar the PLAAF ordered sucks big time when it comes to A2A. After some loud complaints, the Russian offered the improved Mk3 with the N-011M Bars radar to the PLAAF and thanks but no thanks.

    Those first batch of SU-30MKK is now converted into "blue army" sqd for training purpose.
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    The MK2 is more advance than MKK. And is China still begging for Su-33?

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    As a Plan-B for i'ts J-15 Project -- China wants to buy only four birds, the Russian won't sale anything less than 24.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    As a Plan-B for i'ts J-15 Project -- China wants to buy only four birds, the Russian won't sale anything less than 24.
    Actually why should they sell anything less than a squadron..they have not opened a charity for countries to copy their designs..they'd let them copy only if they get some considerable money in return..so nothing less than a squadron

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