PAK FA news

**highsea** · 15 Feb 10,, 21:20

Originally Posted by dumblebee

T50 is a real competitor raptor.
Russian fantastic progress and the aircraft only prototype very promising.
I think Russian T50 aircraft will complete stealth equivalent minimum than F22.
PAK FA stealth is a very good news for return to the manufacture of F22.
And F22 's price can greatly reduce such large applications NAVY and USAF for big sellers.
F15 / F16 have thirty years of good service , now it's retirement.
Robert Gates know nothing and should resign, he's a bad military adviser of obama .F35 go in garbage.

^^^ Brilliant....

**Stitch** · 15 Feb 10,, 22:05

Originally Posted by Dumblebee

T50 is a real competitor raptor.
Russian fantastic progress and the aircraft only prototype very promising.
I think Russian T50 aircraft will complete stealth equivalent minimum than F22.
PAK FA stealth is a very good news for return to the manufacture of F22.
And F22 's price can greatly reduce such large applications NAVY and USAF for big sellers.
F15 / F16 have thirty years of good service , now it's retirement.
Robert Gates know nothing and should resign, he's a bad military adviser of obama .F35 go in garbage.

Huh?

**Dumblebee** · 15 Feb 10,, 22:12

I also added that a fighter is a political and strategic weapon.
the Russian PAK FA will sell specific export their future alliances. And Russia will be in front of U.S. about political and strategic power.Why USA doesn't sell F22 version export for allies Australia, England and Japan?
it very serious political and strategic mistake by the government of usa. Instead U.S. Congress spends billions on a F35 program that nobody wants even the US navy don't want too. It's misery for all

**Jimmy** · 15 Feb 10,, 23:47

Ah, the Queen's English.

On a serious note, almost everything you said is completely wrong.

**Dumblebee** · 16 Feb 10,, 00:39

The U.S. Navy has always denied fighter aircraft single engine and she hates F35
because if the unique engine fails, it's dangerous for landing on aircraft carrier and the team.
And for information I'm Russian and I live in london , so good luck.

**paintgun** · 16 Feb 10,, 01:08

and ahem.. Kopp's PAK-FA assesment

Link

Originally Posted by Dumblebee

Robert Gates know nothing and should resign, he's a bad military adviser of obama

IMO he is a great secdef

**Jimmy** · 16 Feb 10,, 01:21

Originally Posted by paintgun

and ahem.. Kopp's PAK-FA assesment

Link

It's everything I hoped it would be.

**Kilo 2-3** · 16 Feb 10,, 04:35

Originally Posted by paintgun

and ahem.. Kopp's PAK-FA assesment

Link

Haha, awesome. He cites himself four times...

Nice pictures, though.

**Dumblebee** · 16 Feb 10,, 11:13

in this picture there are IR decoy launcher under the wings
T50's defense system against IR ennemy missile
TVC 3D engines remain on this aircraft , it's sure now.

**bfng3569** · 16 Feb 10,, 15:38

Ummmm... ok.

i dont want to be the idiot (since it seems as if some of you are familiar) but who is this idiot, Dr. Carlo Copp? and a Dr. of what exactly...?

from his assesment.......

"Therefore, from a technological strategy perspective, the PAK-FA renders all legacy US fighter aircraft, and the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, strategically irrelevant and non-viable after the PAK-FA achieves IOC in 2015.
Detailed strategic analysis indicates that the only viable strategic survival strategy now remaining for the United States is to terminate the Joint Strike Fighter program immediately, redirect freed funding to further develop the F-22 Raptor, and employ variants of the F-22 aircraft as the primary fighter aircraft for all United States and Allied TACAIR needs.

If the United States does not fundamentally change its planning for the future of tactical air power, the advantage held for decades will be soon lost and American air power will become an artefact of history."

**highsea** · 16 Feb 10,, 20:13

Originally Posted by bfng3569

...who is this idiot, Dr. Carlo Copp? and a Dr. of what exactly...?[/I]

Think his degrees are in computer science.

He's a glider pilot who thinks if Oz doesn't buy F-22's the world will end.

**Tin Man** · 16 Feb 10,, 20:17

Originally Posted by Dumblebee

I also added that a fighter is a political and strategic weapon.
the Russian PAK FA will sell specific export their future alliances. And Russia will be in front of U.S. about political and strategic power.Why USA doesn't sell F22 version export for allies Australia, England and Japan?
it very serious political and strategic mistake by the government of usa. Instead U.S. Congress spends billions on a F35 program that nobody wants even the US navy don't want too. It's misery for all

I think this is Carlo incognito

**Dumblebee** · 16 Feb 10,, 21:33

Originally Posted by Tin Man

I think this is Carlo incognito

hihi
when someone did not even seem notice than you, he's call carlo ?
So you're not okay with my suggestions, then you are carlo for me too, lol
but it's pak fa thread , not carlo thread .

**bfng3569** · 16 Feb 10,, 22:12

Originally Posted by highsea

Think his degrees are in computer science.

He's a glider pilot who thinks if Oz doesn't buy F-22's the world will end.

Thanks for the info.

**biteasaur** · 16 Feb 10,, 23:55

i"m not to worried about the pak/fa anyway, its a nice plane and all ,ive seen a few f35 video"s and it was pretty sweet with a f16 chase plane the f35 looks awesome,once they get it finalized/up and running ,i know its mainly a strike/fighter but it"s gonna have some sharp teeth.f22/35 running together,formidible.