Thread: F-16 Blk 52 Vs SU-30MKI

Dima, i'll let you onto 2 little secrets, the Rafale and Eurofighter.

Both planes that can wipe thier arses with the MKI, i was simply wondering wether others can too.

Just so that this thread does not become a 'my gun bigger' thing, I'll lay a scenario and you experts can put your inputs.
Red Land - AF has 40 F-16 bkl 52, 30 F-16 blk 15, and 300 odd J-7s and an assortment of J-6s and Q-5s(?) No AWACs. Total 500 combat ac.
Blue Land - AF has 40 SU-30MKI, 300 Mig-21s, 40 Mirage 2K, 40 Jags, Mig-29s Mig-27s and Mig-25s, No AWACs. Total 600 combat ac.
Back ground
Insurgents fighting for a separate home in Blue Land are supported by Red Land. The insurgents carry out a strike at a major Railway station in the Capital city of Blue Land, killing and maiming hundreds of civilians. Blue Land forces decide to strike at an insurgent base in Red Land and also to destroy a Red Land military formation as a lesson.
The scope here is only to discuss the air warfare aspect, please do not include the land forces aspects here, except when discussing AD resources.
List out priorities of each air force and steps required to counter the other.

O.K guys, lets hear it....

Originally Posted by platinum786

Dima, i'll let you onto 2 little secrets, the Rafale and Eurofighter.

Both planes that can wipe thier arses with the MKI, i was simply wondering wether others can too.

Have any excerises been conducted involving these aircraft with the SU-30s?...If not then its only speculation.

Originally Posted by Dima

WHAT? no way, not even close to the MKI

and you're talking technically, Su-30MKI can rape any aircraft right now operational considering acceleration, speed, range, climb rate, turn rate etc.

outclass the PAK-FA, you cannot say that, there is no specific knowledge about the aircraft, only raw estimates

Except F-15,,,,,

Originally Posted by platinum786

It was bound to be posted by someone, you know that, now lets see lets put them in the India Pakistan theatre....god forbid that war was to break out, how would the 2 preform head to head, no awacs plz....both sides have them (well we will soon), so lets make thing easier by saying neither has them.

So what do you think....and why?

I was gonna provide a sh1t load of stats, but most of you already know them better than anyone on the web anyways....so i thought forget it...

but if u want i could put in some pictures of pretty ladies to help you think.

So fire away chaps, and play nice.

You're comparing apples and oranges here,, the F-16 is not a true air superiority fighter. The SU-27 and it's derivitives were all made to counter aircraft like the F-15 in it's air superiority role. The F-16 wouldn't fare well against a SU-30MKI,,, it's just not equipped for that kind of deterrance.

Not sure about that Jgetti.

It really depends how they're used.

The F-16C/52 is a pretty good BVR fighter, and it has a much lower RCS than the SU-30 does, and is much smaller, making it much harder to acquire visually.

In close, the SU would hold a significant advantadge though.

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Not sure about that Jgetti.

It really depends how they're used.

The F-16C/52 is a pretty good BVR fighter, and it has a much lower RCS than the SU-30 does, and is much smaller, making it much harder to acquire visually.

In close, the SU would hold a significant advantadge though.

What radar are they using in the block 52??

Originally Posted by jgetti

Except F-15,,,,,

which version of F15??

SU-30 mki would rape the F-16C/52's. It is an air superiority fighter while the F-16 is a corollary to the F-15 to match USSR numbers (which the su-30 is more powerful than anyways).

Originally Posted by Franco Lolan

SU-30 mki would rape the F-16C/52's.

I will try to justify this statement. Now when these aircrafts face eachother in a combat (lets say without awacs) much depends on their radars and their Air to Air missiles. The BVR missile in US inventory that has the longest range is AIM 54 phoenix missiles. AFAIK F16's cant carry them. but F-16 do carry AIM-120 AMRAAM which has a range of 48+ kms .
On the other hand Su30 mki's carry BVR missiles that have longer range than the AIM-120 , like the R-27RE1/TE1[AA-10 ALOMO-C/D] and R-77RVV-AE [AA-12 ADDER] and they can reach up to 130 kms (R-27 TE1's).so IMHO it is not a fair fight. the su-30 mki's would rape the f-16's for sure.

I am not sure about the radars though. the sukhois have the NO11M bars while f-16 blck 52's are supposed to have AESA radar.Both are good. maybe someone can explain about the radars here.

While InAF has signed up for three (or four?) Phalcon AEW systems , PAF has not signed up any AEW systems so far AFAIK . Please give link to prove otherwise.The InAF will be a dominating force for a long time in the Indian subcontinent unless PAF gets F-22 raptors.

Originally Posted by platinum786

Dima, i'll let you onto 2 little secrets, the Rafale and Eurofighter.

Both planes that can wipe thier arses with the MKI, i was simply wondering wether others can too.

and I'll let you onto a little secret too. this is what you had to say

Originally Posted by platinum786

the F-16 to this day remains unbeaten in combat, the MKI is unproven

in post 80 ,link

so when it comes to MKI its unproven but if its rafale and eurofighter they will wipe their arses with MKI ?!! and how did you come to this conclusion? and just to prove that f-16 is not invincible a Greek mirage 2000 shot down a Turkish f-16 in combat. check it out in google.