Vietnam People's Air Force

**xinhui** · 15 May 09,, 05:29

ВВС Вьетнама пополнятся 12 истребителями Су-30МК2
Рособоронэкспорт заключил контракт с министерством обороны Вьетнама на поставку 12 истребителей Су-30МК2, пишет в номере за 14 мая газета "Ведомости", уточняя, что соответствующее соглашение было подписано сторонами еще в январе.
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Как рассказали изданию источники, знакомые с деталями сделки, Россия начнет поставлять во Вьетнам истребители с 2010 года. При этом, как отмечается, контракт заключен только на сами самолеты и не включает в себя вооружение. Стоимость контракта оценивается экспертами газеты в полмиллиарда долларов плюс еще несколько сотен миллионов на дополнительные закупки ракет и наземного оборудования.

Официального подтверждения такой информации пока не поступало, отмечают "Ведомости". Представитель Рособоронэкспорта от комментариев воздержался.

По оценкам Международного института стратегических исследований, на который ссылаются "Ведомости", на вооружении ВВС Вьетнама состоят 140 истребителей МиГ-21-бис, 53 истребителя-бомбардировщика Су-22М3/М4 (поставленные еще СССР), а также 12 истребителей Су-27СК/УБК и четыре машины Су-30МКК, приобретенные вьетнамскими военными уже у РФ.

Су-30МК2 представляет собой двухместный многоцелевой истребитель и входит в линейку "модифицированных коммерческих" истребителей ОКБ "Сухого" 27-го семейства. Он предназначен для завоевания господства в воздухе, поражения надводных и наземных целей, а также для ведения разведки на сухопутных и морских театрах военных действий и обучения летного состава.

Стоит отметить, что в апреле стало известно о переговорах между Россией и Вьетнамом по поводу закупки для нужд вьетнамских ВМС шести подлодок проекта 636. Сообщалось, что в ближайшее время "Рособоронэкспорт" подпишет соответствующий контракт, сумма которого оценивается в 1,8 миллиарда долларов.

**xinhui** · 15 May 09,, 05:30

俄将向越南出售12架改良型苏30MK2
环球时报特约记者梁小逸报道自俄罗斯表示将向越南出售6艘基洛级潜艇后，又有消息称俄罗斯将再向越南出售12架改良型歼击机苏30MK 2，总额约5亿美金。
　　俄《消息报》最先披露次消息，据从俄军企内部得到消息， “俄罗斯国防产品出口公司”与越南国防部签署于今年1月就签署了相关合同，俄方将于2010年起向越南供货。该消息人士透露，此次签署的合同只涉及歼击机，而不包括其它武器。“俄罗斯国防产品出口公司”方面拒绝对此消息发表评论。
　　《消息报》称，越南军队从上个世纪90年代通过优惠贷款方式从苏联购买了很多武器。现在，越南经济好转开始从俄罗斯购买武器，包括给空军购置新型装备。资料显示，越南军队有140架米格-21、53架Су- 22М3/М4、2004年新添置的12架Су-30МКК。专家分析，新购置的12架苏苏-30MK2将极大提高该国空军实力，尽管飞机没有装备相关武器。俄专家预测，未来越南还会向俄罗斯进行大量武器采购，包括导弹和地面相关装置，总价值有可能达数亿美元。

**xinhui** · 15 May 09,, 05:31

Summary of the two article above.

Russian will supply 12 Su-30MK2 fighters to Vietnam for 500 million USD

**xinhui** · 15 May 09,, 06:04

09:35 GMT, May 14, 2009 MOSCOW | Russia will supply 12 Su-30MK2 Flanker multi-role fighters to Vietnam under a contract worth more than $500 million, a Russian business daily reported on Thursday, according to Russia's RIA Novosti.

Vedomosti said the contract, which does not include weaponry, was signed between Russian arms export monopoly Rosoboronexport and the Vietnamese Defense Ministry in January, but was not disclosed until now.

Deliveries are to start in 2010.

Experts say the price of missiles, guns, and other equipment could run to an additional several hundred million dollars.

Last month, Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg announced it would build six Kilo class diesel-electric submarines for Vietnam.

**AdvanXer** · 15 May 09,, 10:17

They're gonna need a lot more that to defend against you know who.

**Kommunist** · 16 May 09,, 08:18

Ya, about 500+ along with the goodies.

**~~VietPhuong~~** · 17 May 09,, 01:53

Vietnam bought them not to fight against a swarm of fighters from whom you know but more to carry anti-ship long range missiles and to play hit-and-run. Modern type of guerilla warfare.

**xinhui** · 17 May 09,, 02:30

Do you have a list of its weapon load that accomplish the buy? I can't find it.

**ANZAC** · 17 May 09,, 04:31

Hi VietPhuong

Just a couple of questions you may be able to help with....

Does Vietnam have the Kh-41 Moskit/SS-N-22SS-N-22 Sunburn missile and/or the P-800 Oniks/SS-N-26 Yakhont supersonic anti-ship cruise missile in Coastal Defence or air launched versions?

And at what pace are the ground forces modernizing?

According to this site the current build-up includes the acquisition last year from Ukraine of four Kolchuga passive sensor systems. Each system includes three sensors in order to simultaneously triangulate the position of up to 32 land, sea or aerial targets.

Also last year, Hanoi moved to address a long-standing deficiency in its maritime surveillance. It acquired three EADS-CASA C212 Series 400 maritime patrol and surveillance aircraft produced in Spain and equipped with the MSS 6000 side-looking airborne radar from Swedish Space Corporation.

Slow advance for Viet army revamp

Guess Vietnam is taking it one step at a time regarding defense as they're only spending about 2% percent of GDP at present, [compared to China's 4.3 for instance] & I suppose the Spratly Islands could possibly be a bone of contention in the future.

**~~VietPhuong~~** · 17 May 09,, 12:42

I can not say for sure but I think for ground launched missile, Vietnam has Moskits and Yakhonts. For air launched version, Moskits should be available due to operating of SU-27 squadrons for almost 10 years. Air launched Yakhonts and Urants, if not available at the moment, should come together with this deal. Rumor says they have been already stocked up before the deal but I don't want to say it is true.

About the ground force, Vietnam still believes an land attack from foreign power will not occur in a long time. The size of active ground force sinks to 400 thousand men. Due to "people war" philosophy, number of trained personnels is still very high; one source says 9 millions. From my point of view (I have also received military training in high school and university) the number of frequently and effectively trained personnel is lower, few millions? Still to have enough weapons to equip them in war is a problem. I think it explains why Vietnam is obtaining license and pushing up production of personal weapon: new AK rifle type, machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, RPGs and AT missiles. Vietnam is also upgrading and buying more T-72s MBT. T-80/T-90s is said to be available in very small number.If it is true then they are probably not for fighting but training purpose.

It is true that Spratly Islands should be the center of defense strategy but not all. The China's claim extends for the whole East Sea (South China Sea) with the 9-dash-line map.

http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new...2009re_vnm.pdf

Now they only claim it as economic zone but it can turn into military zone anytime, like in the case of USS Impeccable. That means conflict can occur anywhere inside that map. An example and possible scenario is during this two months, China annually bans fishing in its seas, including South China Sea. How China handles foreign fishing ships in dispute water and how Vietnam navy respond to protect our civillians should be watched carefully.

**~~VietPhuong~~** · 17 May 09,, 14:33

Vietnam decided to cut the deal from 12 Su-30MK2s to 8 because of financial reason. Looks less scary and more Vietnam.

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**ANZAC** · 18 May 09,, 09:20

Thanks for the info VietPhuong.

As you say, probably nothing will blow up with your giant neighbor, although looking at ancient [& not so ancient] history, I guess Vietnam will always have to be on guard.

As for the Flankers, a few at a time & before you know it you'll have plenty.

**Pioneer** · 21 May 09,, 14:04

Good luck to Vietnam them I say.

Knock yourselves out Vietnam and go for broke – 100 x Su-30MK2 would be good and fair, for both self esteem and to put the wind up ‘you know who’!!!!!!!!!!!!:P

Just imagine the excitement of their pilots when they received their first Su-27 Flanker’s
(I envisage it would have been like stepping from a T-Model Ford to a Corvette!)

There poor old MiG-21’s must be near worn out by now!
I wonder if Israel would have approached or spoken to them about MiG-21 Bison(ing) their venerable ‘Fishbed’ fleet?

Out of curiosity does anyone know how has Vietnam has gone with the servicing and maintaining of its small existing Su-27 fleet????

Regards
Pioneer

**middle earth** · 22 May 09,, 04:19

It seems an arms race in gonging on, China starts to retire the early batches of SU27, it makes me wonder what replacement China got and how to deal with Vietnam's new acquisition.