Dima

there wasn't a collapse in theblate 80's, it was an economic slowdown

"1998?"
yes, 1998, if you don't know what happened in 1998, than don't tlak about Russia's economy, because you know nothing about it

"Gorbachev knew that the end was imminent, hence the START treaties and the eventual introduction of Glasnost."

actually, he didn't know, because in the mid 80's Russia was undergoing a population boost, and since GDP is absed on consumer spending, the original thought was that their economy would actually increase, so, given America's economic success, and Russia's recent rend for slowing down economic growth(starting in mid 80's, but not really noticeable until late 80's) Gorbachev, the idiot that he was believed in a bunch of crap like perestroika and glasnost, THAT lead the eventual dissolution of the USSR

"PS...i just saw the 50% of GDP figure stated by former US SECDEF Casper Weinberger on the History Channel in the last few days. The program was called "20th Century with Mike Wallace".
Yesterday 11:11 PM"

personally, i think that it is an exageratted statement, or maybe you mistook it for 15%, which seems considerably more believable, and close to my expectation of 10-15%

"ONLY be described as ass-backwards."

and why would you say that, any evidence?

what, a 250km detection range against a Eurofighter and Typhoon isn't good, what's the matter, really?

"compare Russia with US China/India"
weren't we talking about Russia's economic past, stop changing the focus

"Well there was a political and economic collapse in the great collapse of Soviet Union and it happened much much before 1998."

again, that same comment, wow, i'm shcoked, you people must have no clue what happened in 98, jeeze, OMG, lol, i thought you guys were aware of it

didn't someone previously say that the NO14 radar is an AESA radar?

"No "Granit" armed surface ship could ever get within range of a Nimitz before it was resting on the bottom of the ocean."

lol, you are severely wrong, the new missile that the Nimitz is supposed to be armed with, the ESSM, is to be an upgraded RIM-7, now, this missile is projected to have a range of approximately 35-50km, but the Granit missile, has a 600 km range, also, it can be armed with either 500 kiloton warhead to destroy large streike groups such as carriers, or a 750kg conventional warhead for destroyers etc. also, another cool feature(that i just found out) is that, since multiple Granit's can be launched, they can "communicate" with each other via built-in data links, one missile can be be flying high while determining the exact position of the target, while the other missiles can be travelling at low altitude to avoid detection

"The US has lost more carriers to hostile fire than Russia has ever even built in it's entire history" really? holy crak, never knew that

also, just to mention, Russia is developing a newer missile to replace the Granit, which will almost have the sole purpose of destroying the AEGIS

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1998 was the year the whole Russian economy crashed...Something happened and the people just started taking all their spendings out.. For several months aftere that,only the dollar was the recognised currency...They had a banking crisis..A lot of Banks went bankrupt then..And a lot of people lost their savings..People still do not trust the Rouble much.....

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Well u shud know that it was indeed an effect of the Collapse of USSR.which left their economy in trambles and the next few years it was all making up for it delaying the effects/preventing the collapses to happen.
Well with a spending of more than 10 % of GDP on defence its already too much for a country to let it grow.


10 % itself is killing and i wonder the fingure must be higher than 10%.Though it wont be 50% it will be much much more than 10%.

Well attach it with its RCS. and then compare with the RCS of SU30 and its best radar. The effect will be visible.
Well kid , understand a simple thing
"the term rich is relative ". and here at least india and china arent called rich yet.


Well the collapse of soviet had already done the job what all happened eventually after that is just the aftermath.


In ur dreams??

Well u shud know that the american carriers dont go alone but with many more ships and subs around . And along with that round the clock air cover.

The missile can evade detection but the russian carrier cant . And frankly it would be detected from teh point it leaves the harbour and even before it tries to come near the nimitz there will be an attack of american planes which are surely much larger in number than russian planes and supported by awacs. to destroy the ru carrier.



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Good for russia but it still needs to make the destroyer / carrier have nimitz in firing range to fire teh missile.

Injecteer

correct, but

LOL! Sounds almost like, each di-pole must have it's own actuator motor to tilt it

Lets imagine the size and the mass of such motor-powered phased grid

True, but there are other ways: U have to change the currents' params, like direction, phase etc. U dont have to move the elements physically. Such a situation existed perhaps in the very first PA-prototypes.

Consider also, that mechanical adjustments are inertial, and require more time to perform. I'm concerned, that modern russian hardware uses electronical phase shift on their fighters.

I'd put it in the other way: MMICs can shift better (faster) and more accurately, than chips used in russian radars.


maybe U're rite about the ferrite pieces, but y do U think they're used in new PESA radars?

sw55

All surface ships in the US Navy are equiped and trained against very fast moving targets, and low level. The ESSM is primarily an anti-missile missile. Carriers would sink anything on the surface of the ocean within 700 miles of the carrier, long outside the range of the Granit, and the E-2 Hawkeye would see any low level missiles at long range. So I would not characterize the Granit as an ace in the whole as you believe. It is more like an equalizer, to a point, and what matters most is who shoots first... And nukes seem to only have value in an end of the world scenario.

Anon

"Gorbachev, the idiot that he was believed in a bunch of crap like perestroika and glasnost, THAT lead the eventual dissolution of the USSR"

Denial is a terrible thing.

A terrible thing.

It causes people to repeat the mistakes they've already made.

Hopefully, Putin is a much smarter man than you...

Anon

The Granit is most effective when launched from close range by a sub.

Leaves very little time to react.

Launched at the edge of it's range, it leaves the targeted vessel a lot of time to engage(assuming it will have air and AWACS cover as well as a screen of SAM shootrs like a US carrier does).

PS: Why is the word S H O O T E R still censored???

sw55

And at such a short range with a 500 KT nuke it would probably take out the shooting sub as well. Question is if such a missile sub could approach a carrier unnoticed. Many Soviet subs were so noisy that they could be tracked from the opposite side of the Atlantic...

Anon

"And at such a short range with a 500 KT nuke it would probably take out the shooting sub as well. Question is if such a missile sub could approach a carrier unnoticed. Many Soviet subs were so noisy that they could be tracked from the opposite side of the Atlantic..."

There were a lot of questions that fortunately...we never had to answer.

Both times that push came to shove, the Reds backed down, so we never found out...thank God.

I highly doubt they're in the mood to play rough with us in their current state. That would get very ugly for them very quickly.

sw55

Aegis is also an unknown to most. Most SAM ships are not comparable.
The missile alone outranges anything else, at 130 nm range Standard SM-2 block 4.
Also not discussed is the capability of Aegis radar to focus a megawat or more of energy down one bearing, frying most electronics at about a mile. Soon lasers will be added. The Granit was an impressive Cold War weapon, but like the Battleships, "impressive" does not mean relevent in a modern war.

Garry

I don't know much on marine technolgies but statement about searching around for 700 miles is quite an amazing thing if it is true. Do you want to say that you can detect a submerged sub at 500 km distance? I remember that subs shoot Granit at submerged position.....

500km range means covering 0.8mln square km around.... if we consider that you can see at this distance in depth.... they I would agree that nothing can be hided in this world anymore...

Anon

For a US CVBG operating on wartime footing, the 700 mile radius is pretty accurate.

However, that is above the waves.

Dima

"Something happened"
that specific something that happened was that the ruble became depreciated against the American dollar

"People still do not trust the Rouble much"

that is relatively true, but not entirely, as the Ruble for the past year has grown against the American dollar, and the shares in banks has shifted from 80% being American dollars to about 75% being in American dollars, because of the increased trust in the ruble

"10 % of GDP on defence its already too much for a country to let it grow."

yes, that is why the Soviet Union became no more, also, in the last two years, 1989-1991, racial tensions among the states became unbearable, which also eventually led to the destruction of the USSR

"Well u shud know that the american carriers dont go alone but with many more ships and subs around . And along with that round the clock air cover."

WELL, if you want to add many ships, then i can also say, well, let's bring in a few Akula class submarines, a few Sovremenny destroyers etc. i was talking about 1 on 1, heck, why don't we even bring the Kuzenstov, lol

"etection but the russian carrier cant "

how do you know that, link on radar range?

"The ESSM is primarily an anti-missile missile"

i know that it's an anti-missile missile, i read that

"Denial is a terrible thing.

A terrible thing.

It causes people to repeat the mistakes they've already made.

Hopefully, Putin is a much smarter man than you..."

lol, yes, you are a capitalist fool, lol, this is exactly why the American economy is in such ruins now, same thing happening to them as in USSR in the eigthies, not exactly, but similar

in fact, America's situation is even worse, also, China, and any other major trading partner of America has the power to shut down America, such as China, they could severely damage the American economy

"Many Soviet subs were so noisy that they could be tracked from the opposite side of the Atlantic..."

not the Akula, also, the Kirov was very queit

"impressive Cold War weapon"

that is why they're retiring the missile, and developing an AEGIS destroyer missile, i mentioned that in my previous post

wow, that's incredible, one megawatt of energy, lol

sw55

Actually I think it was several megawats, but I am sure it is classified.
Lets see, the Russian army lost every battle, and only won after massive losses.
The Russian air force needed help in WW2 and stole technology from the west, like the B-29, and fighters we sold them like the P-39, and at best matched us in the Cold War in aerospace technology, and space technology... (Russia orbited the earth first, but the US is the unquestioned space leader,,, there are no Russian Flags flying on the moon, and is still catching up to the US from where it dropped out of the race after the Cold War)... Dropped missile? Right, along with the rest of the Russian Navy, I hope for thier own good. And the Akula is not superior to the western equivelants, or their successors. Come on Dima, reality is calling. Hello!?!?!?!?!???
No Mr. Dima, I laugh at you!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!

Anon

"lol, yes, you are a capitalist fool, lol, this is exactly why the American economy is in such ruins now, same thing happening to them as in USSR in the eigthies, not exactly, but similar

in fact, America's situation is even worse, also, China, and any other major trading partner of America has the power to shut down America, such as China, they could severely damage the American economy"

It's no wonder we crushed you utterly without firing a shot.