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Old 03-01-2005, 08:51 AM   #31 (permalink)
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yes, their crazy rich, what their spending it on, is unknown to me

not necessarily since the Russian economy is only about 40% the size it was in 1988, and in the late eighties, they spent above 10% of their GDP funding the military, currently, they spend only about 3.2%, and since Russia inherited most of the USSR arsenal, it's kind of hard for any nation, and i mean ANY nation to maintian everything
Well that effectively means that they are no more rich.. LOL..
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Old 03-01-2005, 11:44 AM   #32 (permalink)
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What about N014 radar ?? N014 passive phassed array radar that was supposed to be put on the MiG-1.44 it has a range of 400+ km against 6m^2 targets, 250km gainst 1m^2 targets (such as Eurofighter and Rafale) and about 140km against 0.1m^2 targets. It is able to track up to 40 targets and engage 12 at once.
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Old 03-01-2005, 16:36 PM   #33 (permalink)
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"not necessarily since the Russian economy is only about 40% the size it was in 1988, and in the late eighties, they spent above 10% of their GDP funding the military, currently, they spend only about 3.2%, and since Russia inherited most of the USSR arsenal, it's kind of hard for any nation, and i mean ANY nation to maintian everything"

Cuz in the 80s the Soviets spent upwards of 50% of their GDP on defense.

It was the only way they could compete in the arms race with the US...what with their backwards dirt farmer economy and all.
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Old 03-01-2005, 16:37 PM   #34 (permalink)
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"What about N014 radar ?? N014 passive phassed array radar that was supposed to be put on the MiG-1.44 it has a range of 400+ km against 6m^2 targets, 250km gainst 1m^2 targets (such as Eurofighter and Rafale) and about 140km against 0.1m^2 targets. It is able to track up to 40 targets and engage 12 at once."

LOL....
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Old 03-01-2005, 19:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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What about N014 radar ?? N014 passive phassed array radar that was supposed to be put on the MiG-1.44 it has a range of 400+ km against 6m^2 targets, 250km gainst 1m^2 targets (such as Eurofighter and Rafale) and about 140km against 0.1m^2 targets. It is able to track up to 40 targets and engage 12 at once.
i think it was abandoned with the 1.44 . Though frankly PAK-FA wouldnt be a real fifth gen fighter without an AESA radar. Though clearly nothin can be said as if they will make it in time.
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Old 03-02-2005, 00:11 AM   #36 (permalink)
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yes, Russia's strategy in the modern world does not quite fit right, they must reorient themselves so that they use their resources much more efficiently

"Well that effectively means that they are no more rich.. LOL.."
you failed to understand my comparison

"0.1m^2 targets"
well, that's pretty sad, since the RCS of the F-22 is 0.001 m squared, saw it on globalsecurity.org

"Soviets spent upwards of 50% of their GDP on defense."
NO, where did you get that bull from? if they spent 50%+ of their GDP on theri military, it would result in an economic collapse occruing in the late 80's instead of 1998

"dirt farmer economy"

wow, you are stupid lol, dirt farmer economy, stop thinking about Russia in WW2, lol, seriously, they ahd the most advanced research facilities in nuclear, chemical and biological weapons stockpiles, also, their tanks were very good

why are you laughing at the NO14 radar, what's so funny?
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Old 03-02-2005, 01:23 AM   #37 (permalink)
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"NO, where did you get that bull from? if they spent 50%+ of their GDP on theri military, it would result in an economic collapse occruing in the late 80's instead of 1998"

That IS what happened.

1998?

LOL, that was almost a full decade after the Soviet economy did collapse. As early as 1984 Gorbachev knew that the end was imminent, hence the START treaties and the eventual introduction of Glasnost.

PS...i just saw the 50% of GDP figure stated by former US SECDEF Casper Weinberger on the History Channel in the last few days. The program was called "20th Century with Mike Wallace".
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Old 03-02-2005, 01:24 AM   #38 (permalink)
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"wow, you are stupid lol, dirt farmer economy, stop thinking about Russia in WW2, lol, seriously, they ahd the most advanced research facilities in nuclear, chemical and biological weapons stockpiles, also, their tanks were very good"

Sorry cuz, Russias economy during the entire cold war can ONLY be described as ass-backwards.
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Old 03-02-2005, 01:26 AM   #39 (permalink)
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What's funny about the N014 radar?

This quote from the above post:

"250km(detection) against 1m^2 targets (such as Eurofighter and Rafale) "

Like i said....LOL.
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Old 03-02-2005, 04:29 AM   #40 (permalink)
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yes, Russia's strategy in the modern world does not quite fit right, they must reorient themselves so that they use their resources much more efficiently

"Well that effectively means that they are no more rich.. LOL.."
you failed to understand my comparison

Well If u really wanna compare then compare Russia with US China/India and then talk rther than compare it with itself. What it was is past what it is " is what matters"

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"0.1m^2 targets"
well, that's pretty sad, since the RCS of the F-22 is 0.001 m squared, saw it on globalsecurity.org
Its more of a speculation for stuff like RCS arent told in public.
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"Soviets spent upwards of 50% of their GDP on defense."
NO, where did you get that bull from? if they spent 50%+ of their GDP on theri military, it would result in an economic collapse occruing in the late 80's instead of 1998
Well there was a political and economic collapse in the great collapse of Soviet Union and it happened much much before 1998.

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"dirt farmer economy"

wow, you are stupid lol, dirt farmer economy, stop thinking about Russia in WW2, lol, seriously, they ahd the most advanced research facilities in nuclear, chemical and biological weapons stockpiles, also, their tanks were very good

why are you laughing at the NO14 radar, what's so funny?
About N014 ITs PESA and so easily Jammable.
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Old 03-02-2005, 08:26 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Unlike passive elements whose phase shift must be mechanically varied,
OMG! where the hell did U get that? Or what U meant by that?

the directional diagram of a phased array it changed only via alteration of electrical currents, which flow in each of the grid's element. No mechanical variation is needed!

That's actually the main trick in such arrays, that U mustn't move the antenna (or it's elements), only change the currents in each di-pole.
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Old 03-02-2005, 13:08 PM   #42 (permalink)
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OMG! where the hell did U get that? Or what U meant by that?

the directional diagram of a phased array it changed only via alteration of electrical currents, which flow in each of the grid's element. No mechanical variation is needed!

That's actually the main trick in such arrays, that U mustn't move the antenna (or it's elements), only change the currents in each di-pole.
Take a simple 10x10 array. First row (1-0,1-10) has shift of 0 degrees. Second row (2-0,2-10) has a shift of say 2.5 degrees. Third row (3-0,3-10) has a shift of 5 degrees, and so on. Steering the beam involves specifying the elements in the beam. To change the shift, the elements have to be physically adjusted. MMICs can adjust this phase shift electronically. Ferrite phase shifters can't.
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oh, id didn't mention that, my analysis does not include aircraft carriers on either sides

a few Granit missiles from the Gorshkov could sink a Nimitz, no one ahs tried to sink one, no country that you have actually faced in a war, has ever had any significant naval power

also, none of them give me an exact number, you mind actually giving me an exact number, thanks a lot
No "Granit" armed surface ship could ever get within range of a Nimitz before it was resting on the bottom of the ocean.
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"a few Granit missiles from the Gorshkov could sink a Nimitz, no one ahs tried to sink one, no country that you have actually faced in a war, has ever had any significant naval power"

Christ, i guess someone here has never heard of WWII, or the war in the pacific...

The US has lost more carriers to hostile fire than Russia has ever even built in it's entire history.
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Old 03-02-2005, 19:23 PM   #45 (permalink)
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"a few Granit missiles from the Gorshkov could sink a Nimitz, no one ahs tried to sink one, no country that you have actually faced in a war, has ever had any significant naval power"

Christ, i guess someone here has never heard of WWII, or the war in the pacific...

The US has lost more carriers to hostile fire than Russia has ever even built in it's entire history.
I know this is way off subject, but there have been people for the last several decades who have claimed that the days of the carrier are over.
Nobody seems to be able to stop them yet though...
Granit is impressive, but until it is used and succeeds, well lets say that would seem premature... Theory is very different from reality sometimes. My best example is of the US Sub lauched Torpedo in WW2 which was suppose to sink any ship. ANY ship, including battleships, with their thick belts of armor around their waterline which is suppose to protect battleships from torpedos. The idea was that the torp would dive under the ship, and explode under the keel, and easliy break any ship's back, below the unprotected parts of the ship. It didn't work, and only possibly sunk US subs because when it didn't go off, it exposed the US sub to retalliation. Things don't ever go as planned, and in war this seems to be the rule.

I am related (Cousin, but he much older) to Tomas Buell, a Naval officer and former commander of the Joseph Hewes, FF-1078, who also taught at the Naval War College and wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...320835-1756927

Admiral Spruance, the quiet warrior.
Spruance was a genius, thrust by chance into the war of the pacific, and proved himself and the carrier, as a formadable, if not pivotal naval weapon.

My cousin passed away a couple years ago. He had some great pics of his command while chasing Russians around the Indian Ocean in the 1970's.

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