Thread: MiG-29 “FALCON HUNTER” Exclusive : THE WINNER

well, there's obviously some "suposed" intelligent people here(aka jgetti, Bluesmen,Troung, M21 Sniper, Swingkid)

awesome, this is so much better than ATS

um, SwingKid, i'm not entirely sure, but i think that those SAM radar operators are intelligent/bright enough to notice the difference in RCS of an UVA and tomahawk missile compared to the RCS of the F-15, your comment does have some truth in it though, it would reduce my number by, a moderate amount, but ask yourself this, if in 1991, America attacked Iraq, and Iraq had extremely inferior training of all its forces, and its aircraft were in utterly abominable performance and maintenance conditions(performance wise because they're export versions) (in addition, the aircraft is not properly maintained thus reducing its performance to a greater extent)and their air defenses were in even worse conditions, than how did the US lose a supposed 30 something aircraft, and against Yugoslavia they only lost 2 against significantly better trained troops, and better equipment, it just doesn't make sense, anyways, wanted to point that out, the site is still not up

Swingkid, i don't think that your anti-russian, but most people here are, extremely

at last count, the largest number of UAV's i've heard that were downed was 32-36 UAV's, don't know for sure

Jgetti, you might work for McDonnel Douglas, but are you sure you can trust what your company says, i mean really, the best comments(someone said this to me here) and often the most reliable come from the air forces that the aircraft has been operated by, exp. go to the Lockheed site, they claim that the F-16, is so absolutely incredibly amazing by far better than any other aircraft in the world, and has low maintenance costs and high reliability, well, with all due respect, go to the MiG site and they don't even mention the Fulcrum's capability to safely launch from and land to dirt airfields, the best comments and often most reliabel come from the people in the air forces of other countries(can't be the manufactureing country, because they're not going to admit that the enemy is better than they are. anyways, i wouldn't trust anything from Americans news if someone paid me to, really, and information froma company that you work at isn't much better

Jgetti, i am aware that you work on the F-15, and you're aware of its capabilities, but i'm telling you this, why do you have to be so blinded and ignorant as to saying that the F-15 is the best aircraft by far over ALL others, this is the dumbest and most absurd quote someone has said to me in the past week, i have to argue that the Su-30MKI would destroy the F-15, but i'm not going to get into that, really tired, except maybe not the K

Engineer, wow, lol, thats funny that 1-2-3 fly out ********, wow, really, ahaha, and then 1-2-3 come back, talked to Russian and Eastern Block officials, well, if you can prove somehow that you actually did this, otherwise, easily regarded as b/s, so you talk to Russian officials, even thogh ALL russian newspapers publish reports of F-15's and F-16's downed, even in Britain, there was a report in the BBC about an F-15 gettting shot down, or being damaged(i need that fucking link, i can't proove any of these downings without it) and Chinese, Japaneses, even friggin Australian newspaper talk about American planes downed, only America newspapers didnt't, well not to the extent of the other countries

B-2's not lost, you believe what you want, but my mom has a friend back in Yugoslavia, her so and husband were outsidetaking a smoke and drinking, he was like 16, BOOM, huge mofo 140-180 ft. wide, he's a carpenter, so he's good at measuring, crashed into a mountain, they talked to my mom on the phone, and she told me after, so i have an eye-witness, i don't care abot these fake reports of them not getting shot down, i believe what my friend saw, he said he never knew a plane shaped like that existed, so big, shaped like a trianle, it was just one massive wing

concerning that, will if so many NATO/USAF aircraft were getting downed, why didn't they show anymore pictures or videos, simple, after the war, who's going to pay for their reconstruction and air, the Eu and US would be by far the major contributors, thus if Yugoslavia were to show anymore pictures, thats less and less funds for Yugoslavia to rebuild with, and if they get cheated out, who are they going to complain to, the largest judicial body in the world, Supreme Court, the EU controls that, so there is no case

Dave Angel, your post about Western aircraft and Eastern aircraft has no significance because think about which countries each side sold their aircraft and weapons to

West-sold it to mainly Western countries, and countries in the world that were really rich, very well developed, had extremely high levels of training, and provided their military with huge funds, in general, these countries were almost 100% of all developed nations, a large majority of industrializing nations(70%), and extremely low levels of developing nations(5%)

East-sold it to mainly poor countries who couldn't afford, weren't allowed to buy Western hardware, or just found that the Eastern hardware was superior, in general, these countries were mostly developing countries(95%), or s small portion of industrializing nations(30%), and pretty much no developed nations, thus, the armed forces that they sold this equipment to had greatly inferior training, extremely poor, or no funding at all, and inadequate maintenance of their hardware, no wonder 2 American pilots flying in F-15E's would destroy two MiG-29 fighters from Algeria, because the American pilots get 250 hours a year flying and the Algerian pilots get 80 hours a year flying, plus, the American aircraft are 100% maintained while the Fulcrums are only maybe 60-70% maintained

in addition, if you haven't noticed, in all the major wars after the 80's that America was involved in, they outnumbered the enemy by 6+ at the very least, also, had way more support, AWACS, Satellite, and tons more money than other countries

you guys would probably argue that, well, if the pilot was downed, what about the family, does it have to be informaed, what about all those families that weren't informaed after the Vietnam war and the Korean war

oh and Troung, the last point, how the Iranian's and Iraqi's started to do better after they became supported by America, well that considering that America siphoned in tens of billions of dollars into each country, they better damn make sure that it buys top-notch training, if Russia invested that much money in Vietnam, America would have been obliterated faster than you can asy obliterated in the Vietnam war, they probably would have enough funds to put a massive offensive against Americans forces

anyways, again, i have been forced into the defensive for Russia, i hope that this again does not transmit the message that i'm biased, i try not to be, i like the F-16, but not really the F-15(its okay) the f-14 is mediocre, i love the F/A-18 though, and the F-22 is amazing, the F-20 was okay, provided some really good advancements

anyways, thats all, really late, goodnight