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Dose Russia has the capability built a stealth fighter that cans mach F-22

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prash

these are all photoshoped and conceptual less the 5th generation plane the russians are making with the indians(mca or something),recent news i heard was that the lone 5th generation plane project of russia the su-47 was scrapped.

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kuku

Considering that very little will be known about the capabilities of the F-22, the answer could be another question
How would anyone know about that?

About the Russians ability to produce a stealth fighter, only time will tell, they have a Fifth generation fighter aircraft program which by definition is a stealth fighter, let us wait and see what the Russians come up with.

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avon1944

The answer is yes, the real question is when! There is far more to the F-22A than stealth. The F-22A is being trained to excel in a world when it no longer has stealth.
The F-22A is going through an upgrade program every three or so years, so the technical advantage it has, it will maintain!

Actually, a fair amount is known about the F-22A. The USAF has to sell the program to Congress and they release information in that effort. Those trying to defeat or stop the F-22 program are also releasing as much information as they can in an effort to accomplish that. To those on the outside (you, me and, the rest of the world) it is just information.
What you don't get is the means to accomplish the task. It is nice to know the amount of thrust the engines produce but, what is the efficiency of the engines. How much thrust per unit of fuel is generated?
One problem Russia has is depending on the West to get the latest in micro-circuits. Yes, getting signal processor circuits from Texas Instruments (TI) is great but, what happens if America, Japan, or Europe cuts off the supply? How much information is available on circuits to be designed three or four years from now? If you have to wait until TI, Intel, Motorola, Sony, etc. announces the new circuits, puts your designs behind. Compared with organizations like the USAF, USN, etc. that have access at an earlier time to this sort of information.
The stealth materials are something that are also in an evolution, some of the materials first used on the F-22 have been improved and that process will continue.
The USS Seawolf and F-22A programs are the extreme high tech no expense spared to get the absolute best technology can provide. The USS Virginia and the F-35 programs are designed to take many of these technologies and discover more inexpensive ways of accomplishing the same task.
To my knowledge, the PAK-FA is not a direct competitor to the F-22. That the direct competitor to the F-22 still has not been started yet. The PAK-FA will have some abilities that will bridge the generation 4.5 and the 5th generation air craft.

Adrian

Maxor

Could they probably tool up to produce one definately, Do they have the engineers and basic know how most likely, Would it take 3 or 4 years under wartime footing and limited testing yes, (and far longer in a non-war situtation). At this point russia has not yet produced a known stealth plane.

No one is going to finance russia building one untill one of the two following things occour.

1. Late 4th gen planes fall out of the sky from wear and tear and metal fatigue.

2. The US raptors get into a war with a proffesional (somewhat subjective) air-force with fairly modern fighters and anniliate them. At that point every country that won't deal with the US and can afford it will go clamouring to the russians at which point they will build something.


By the time either of these happen India may well have their aircraft development up to replacing the russians (alot of their joint ventures seem headed in that direction). Saab may or may not also be willing/able to do it (they keep getting declared dead/impracticle then building a good airplane with some exports). I'm not sure how turkey will do at aircraft development and how closely they will continue to try to stay with their Nato/US alignment. If they won't deal with the US they very very likely won't deal with the euro consortium. I don't see china developing a 5th generation plane in the next 10 years at which point they'll be able to buy one and copy it.(I have no idea why I am so down on china's aircraft industry but I just don't trust their competance save for coping and moding other people's planes..)

Stan

I dont see them doing it any time soon.

The only group that could do this at the moment would be a european consortium again and we all know how messy they can get.

BAE systems from the UK has a lot of knowledge built up from work on the F-35. Europe will be buying alot of F-35 between them, I think in the future we might see more people buying into the US design stages especially the UK and Italy/Spain.

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zraver

The short answer is no.


They just finally got a working AESA and still lack LPI technology

The engines they have to work with are still underpowered comapred to the PW119

They don't have the RnD budget for an F-22 like craft

They don't have the experiance in making the latest ram materials, specially the ceramic used on the F-22.

it is not at all certain they can fix the air intake problem and achieve mach 2+ with fixed inlets or make stealthy movable inlets.

The only Russian aircraft I am aware of that has ever super cruised is the TU-144

They still have serious shortcoming in thier computer and digital industries.

They do have a couple of areas of expertise though.

1- worlds best aircraft mounted IR systems
2- good missiles with well developed HMCS
3- experiance with 3D TVC

While the Russian's work on these problems the F-22 just keeps getting better and better. General Jumper reportedly flew the F-22 at mach 1.7+ in Super Cruise. Cheif Test Pilot Paul Metz said the plane will do at least 1600mph but this is probably low by nearly .3 mach at a minimum. If the F-22 gets the same boost other fighters get from full burner then the F-22 is at least capable of mach 2.7 and might break mach 3.

kuku

OF they make it they make it, what is one going to do, plenty of planes they have come out with plenty of planes before this point of time,

I am sure they can tweak around with the airframe and materials to manage the RCS of a new fighter plane, it could not possibly achieve the levels that the Americans are at with the research, funding and the generations of stealth planes, however it will be a plane build up to be appear as small to a radar as they can make it to be from all angles.

Its might be the sensors/avionics engine etc. that present them with challenges. The Americans have been very active, and they are made out of money, you just can not beat that.

I think plenty of market around for another generation of plane.

Jimmy

Aside from India and China, I dont think there's ANY market for it. Nobody wants to pay that kind of money. Hell, even the US Congress is trying to avoid paying for it.

scorefour

Without movable inlets, this probably isn't feasible. Also, I've heard that the materials used on the F-22 won't tolerate the heat generated by that kind of speed. No doubt the F-22 has the thrust for mach 3, but not the design.

In my opinion, the PAK-FA will be a stealth plane comparable to the RCS of the Raptor. It won't have nearly the level of integrated avionics or classified technologies, but it will be an amazing aerobatic performer with a large and powerful radar.

The reason I believe that its RCS will be similar to that of the Raptor is that the Raptor was designed in the 1980's. The Russians are surely that far along in their research.

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kuku

Would you say middile east with the oil money (Iran UAE etc. etc.) will not fall for it, many AFs today could do with WW-2 prop planes with cannons and iron bombs, however if a need for a stronger AF arises it will not be easy to do so in the requried time.

If these planes become the next big thing in showing off, nations will buy them, and as nations buy them others will follow, when such a capability that presents new set of challenges is operational at a large scale, justification for the investmentthat have to be made will be available.

Look at the F-35 program, i am sure i will provide enough reasons for other nations to go for similar capability.

As for the defence situation, the more it changes, the more it seems to remain the same, there will always be a need, we are humans with all our imperfections.

Jimmy

The program started in the 80s, but was extensively redesigned in the mid 90s. Look at the 80s concepts, compare them to the YF-22, and compare both of them to the production Raptor...three very different aircraft.

Jimmy

I just think the price will be too high for anyone to bother. You cant just buy 2 or 3 planes, you need at least 10 for a viable purchase...less than that and its not worth it for the company to even build them, and you dont have any spares or trainers, or even enough for any kind of maintenance cycle.

Look at the SA-20...how many of those have been exported? And that's an arguably more important system than a couple of fighters that will probably be broken when they're needed most.

omon

here is russian stealth plane.

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You mean that dark area under water?

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