F-16 FALCON vs. MIG-29 FULCRUM - Page 7

MIKEMUN · 02-01-2005, 05:53 AM

This article says that the first 2 MIG-29SMT have been delivered to Yemen..Too bad that you need registration before reading it.

www.flightinternational.com/FALANDING_189860.htm

Mr_Vaastu · 02-01-2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by indianbomb

I dont see why anyone should get fired up on the term "aryan". It is just a nomenclature used to depict a certain kind of people. In fact quite some time back in India the word "Arya" was used to address some body else just like Mr or Sir. Even the Swastika, which is an Indian symbol for goodnesss, found in every Hindu temple , has some very dark meanings in Europe. It is very sad.

Exactly as I was saying

...........Danke für das Löschen alle zweifelt

Mr_Vaastu · 02-01-2005, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sho...6797#post66797

The bastardization ain't the fault of the real Aryans but that does not change the fact that the term was bastardized and in doing so, over 25 million people died.

Extremely true but doesn't matter. The term Aryans is forever tied to the Nazis whether you like it or not.

Colonel, actually Aryanism has been associated with India for the past 5000 years and always will. Its got nothing to do about Racism although Hitlers hijacking of our Swastika was what gave racist overtures to anything associated to or with the Aryans or their ancient civilizations that stretched from Europe through Russia to India. Indians consider themselves Aryans the same way Britons consider themselves Celts. What the Swastika is to India is what the Celtic cross is to British Isles and Gallatia which is why you’ll find a Swastika in every nook and cranny in India from grocery shops and shopping malls to the Holy Temples. It is revered as a sacred symbol for progress and supremacy. So like it or not, others are not fit to make their judgments on Aryanism because they are ‘not fit’ to do so. Besides, the whole world could ban the Swastika, but the Swastika will never be banned in India….....we are a true Aryan nation

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Mr_Vaastu · 02-01-2005, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironduke

Mr_Vastu (aka Mr Adolf, Mr Hitler, etc.) was banned for using a username deemed inappropriate under forum rules.

Reregistering under a new username to circumvent a ban is not allowed, Mr_Vastu is therefore banned, by default.

If anybody believes he has registered another username, send me a private message and I will investigate it.

Alright, alright, alright.........I apologise for my whimsical ways of doing a Prince Harry and appearing on this forum as an ‘Adolf’ and ‘Hitler’ just for the fun of it. But I didn’t come on as ‘Adolf Hitler’ did I? Adolf and Hitler happen to be the names of many people who have no connection whatsoever with racism so I was not aware of those names being inappropriate as per the rules. Also I never spoke anything derogatory toward any race or community of people that had racial overtures of any kind. All I did was speak about Luftwaffe MiGs and some Aryan culture of India and this thread went spiraling from the flamin' Fighting Falcons to the German Nazis

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Severnaya · 02-01-2005, 07:17 AM

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This article says that the first 2 MIG-29SMT have been delivered to Yemen..Too bad that you need registration before reading it.

Wrong, I have an arms catalog regarding Rosoboronexport sales. The MiG-29SMT, which is equipped with the latest Russian Generation of Plasma stealth, will not be fielded outside the Russia airforce.

Mr_Vaastu · 02-01-2005, 07:53 AM

I stand by the fact that no MiG-29 has ever been intercepted by any fighter plane. You need to record the crash site where the wreckage was and if possible, find the ID number of the downed plane, the standard most European Air Forces follow which the USAF, never had.

Seen here the downed F-117s that were victims of the MiG-29, their wreckages were found and registered :

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/yugoslavia/jan-june99/331yu039.jpg

http://serbnews.com/f117.html

The MiG-29 has a 100% kill ratio to infinity against any F-16. In the Gulf conflict F-16s flew in CAP missions with F-15 and AWACS aircraft and yet it took 249 F-16s, 200 odd F-15s, 100 plus F-111s, Tomcats, Hornets, Tornados, Jaguars, Mirages and UK F-4s to chase a lone MiG-29 that managed to get past Allied Air Defence Systems safely into Iran.

On a one-on-one basis whenever F-16s have gone on DACT exercises with MiG-29s they have lost, clean bowled. Luftwaffe and Polish MiG-29s killed USAF F-16s with every shot in air exercises and IAF Fulcrums didn’t give Singaporean F-16s a chance to live either.

Mr_Vaastu · 02-01-2005, 07:57 AM

I'll bet Troung and Bluesman you both are either from UAE, Singapore, Pakistan or some country that flies the F-16 but no matter how hard you try and stall...........my MiG-29 "Falcon Hunter"'s gonna run your F-16s into the sands

hahaha

troung · 02-01-2005, 14:19 PM

"Wrong, I have an arms catalog regarding Rosoboronexport sales. The MiG-29SMT, which is equipped with the latest Russian Generation of Plasma stealth, will not be fielded outside the Russia airforce."

See you're just bsing.

The MiG-29SMT has been offered for export several times. You're down to making up stuff. It seems like Yemen could pick up the plane.

You're an idiot deal with it...

And seeing as you said you don't trust jews... shows what type of guy you are...

"The MiG-29 has a 100% kill ratio to infinity against any F-16"

Ummmm Serbian and Iraqi MiG-29s have been killed by American and Dutch F-16s. No MiG-29 has ever even fired a shot back much less hit an F-16.

"I stand by the fact that no MiG-29 has ever been intercepted by any fighter plane."

Syrian, Eritrean, Iraqi, and Serbian MiG-29s have been confirmed shot down in combat by all types of planes in all manners of settings.

"You need to record the crash site where the wreckage was and if possible, find the ID number of the downed plane, the standard most European Air Forces follow which the USAF, never had."

****ing moron...

"I'll bet Troung and Bluesman you both are either from UAE, Singapore, Pakistan or some country that flies the F-16 but no matter how hard you try and stall...........my MiG-29 "Falcon Hunter"'s gonna run your F-16s into the sands"

Jackass....

Dima · 02-01-2005, 15:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKEMUN

What is the whole point of this discussion...I am now already lost...I am not a military expert and I don't claim to be...Never flown a combat aircraft,never been in one..But my opinion is we do not know which plane is better.There are areas where the -29 performs better and there are areas where the Viper performs better..But the truth is you can't know which plane is better because they have never been pitted against each other in combat,the latest upgrades,that is..So until we get more facts it is quite pointless to peddle everything you read on the net as truth..Numbers are just that,numbers.They can be fudged...They are not the gospel truth.........My humble opinion..

yes i agree as well, it was just my opinion on which one is better, but you can't really calculate which aircraft is better until they both meet each other in combat, with equal pilots

yo, Mr. Vastu, you seem to have extensive knowledge of the MiG 29 aircraft and how it is "superior" to the F-16, you mind giving me your email, and then we can talk?

thanks

Anon · 02-02-2005, 18:16 PM

In the few instances where a Mig-29 has faced off with an F-16, it has ended very badly for the Mig driver, everytime.

Anon · 02-02-2005, 18:26 PM

'Wrong, I have an arms catalog regarding Rosoboronexport sales. The MiG-29SMT, which is equipped with the latest Russian Generation of Plasma stealth, will not be fielded outside the Russia airforce.'

Well your arms catalog is wrong cuz.

The Mig-29SMT has been offered to numerous countries.

Apparently, no one wants them...

ajaybhutani · 02-02-2005, 21:12 PM

i was under an impression that russians are planning to give plasma stealth feature to mig29K to be procured by India. and even for upgrades.??Though i dont remember where i read it.

tu160mblackjack · 02-03-2005, 18:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Vaastu

Colonel, actually Aryanism has been associated with India for the past 5000 years and always will. Its got nothing to do about Racism although Hitlers hijacking of our Swastika was what gave racist overtures to anything associated to or with the Aryans or their ancient civilizations that stretched from Europe through Russia to India. Indians consider themselves Aryans the same way Britons consider themselves Celts. What the Swastika is to India is what the Celtic cross is to British Isles and Gallatia which is why you’ll find a Swastika in every nook and cranny in India from grocery shops and shopping malls to the Holy Temples. It is revered as a sacred symbol for progress and supremacy. So like it or not, others are not fit to make their judgments on Aryanism because they are ‘not fit’ to do so. Besides, the whole world could ban the Swastika, but the Swastika will never be banned in India….....we are a true Aryan nation

!!!

God! Before I start, I"ll let you know I'm Indian. First, Indians are not Aryans. Indians belong to an entire race seperate from others. Research on the Vedic conferences of 1965-67 and you will see the Aryan invvasion theory was disqualified as invalid. However, I agree that to Hindus and also various other cultures, the Swastika is an important symbol, and I find nothing wrong in it. The only thing is, you are a tactless moron and need to act responsible.

So, the Aryan Invasion theory was introduced by the British as a ploy to make a connection between Indians and themselves, whom they considered "Aryan" as they were Europeans and so were the "Aryans." In the end, the stupid Indian government has continued teaching that nonsense over the decades and it has become a part of our falsely imparted "culture." If you want to do further research on this, research some info on the British Education Act during the British Raj.

tu160mblackjack · 02-03-2005, 18:22 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

In the few instances where a Mig-29 has faced off with an F-16, it has ended very badly for the Mig driver, everytime.

driver????????????????????

Maximus · 02-03-2005, 18:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tu160mblackjack

driver????????????????????

LOL!!

of course, he meant pilot.

LOL!!

02-01-2005, 05:53 AM	#91 (permalink)
MIKEMUN Contributor Join Date: 01-13-05 Posts: 467	This article says that the first 2 MIG-29SMT have been delivered to Yemen..Too bad that you need registration before reading it. www.flightinternational.com/FALANDING_189860.htm Last edited by MIKEMUN : 02-01-2005 at 06:00 AM.

02-01-2005, 14:19 PM	#98 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	"Wrong, I have an arms catalog regarding Rosoboronexport sales. The MiG-29SMT, which is equipped with the latest Russian Generation of Plasma stealth, will not be fielded outside the Russia airforce." See you're just bsing. The MiG-29SMT has been offered for export several times. You're down to making up stuff. It seems like Yemen could pick up the plane. You're an idiot deal with it... And seeing as you said you don't trust jews... shows what type of guy you are... "The MiG-29 has a 100% kill ratio to infinity against any F-16" Ummmm Serbian and Iraqi MiG-29s have been killed by American and Dutch F-16s. No MiG-29 has ever even fired a shot back much less hit an F-16. "I stand by the fact that no MiG-29 has ever been intercepted by any fighter plane." Syrian, Eritrean, Iraqi, and Serbian MiG-29s have been confirmed shot down in combat by all types of planes in all manners of settings. "You need to record the crash site where the wreckage was and if possible, find the ID number of the downed plane, the standard most European Air Forces follow which the USAF, never had." ***ing moron... "I'll bet Troung and Bluesman you both are either from UAE, Singapore, Pakistan or some country that flies the F-16 but no matter how hard you try and stall...........my MiG-29 "Falcon Hunter"'s gonna run your F-16s into the sands" Jackass.... Last edited by troung : 02-01-2005 at 23:42 PM.*

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02-01-2005, 07:53 AM	#96 (permalink)
Mr_Vaastu Banished Join Date: 02-01-05 Posts: 16	I stand by the fact that no MiG-29 has ever been intercepted by any fighter plane. You need to record the crash site where the wreckage was and if possible, find the ID number of the downed plane, the standard most European Air Forces follow which the USAF, never had. Seen here the downed F-117s that were victims of the MiG-29, their wreckages were found and registered : http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/yugoslavia/jan-june99/331yu039.jpg http://serbnews.com/f117.html The MiG-29 has a 100% kill ratio to infinity against any F-16. In the Gulf conflict F-16s flew in CAP missions with F-15 and AWACS aircraft and yet it took 249 F-16s, 200 odd F-15s, 100 plus F-111s, Tomcats, Hornets, Tornados, Jaguars, Mirages and UK F-4s to chase a lone MiG-29 that managed to get past Allied Air Defence Systems safely into Iran. On a one-on-one basis whenever F-16s have gone on DACT exercises with MiG-29s they have lost, clean bowled. Luftwaffe and Polish MiG-29s killed USAF F-16s with every shot in air exercises and IAF Fulcrums didn’t give Singaporean F-16s a chance to live either.

02-01-2005, 07:57 AM	#97 (permalink)
Mr_Vaastu Banished Join Date: 02-01-05 Posts: 16	I'll bet Troung and Bluesman you both are either from UAE, Singapore, Pakistan or some country that flies the F-16 but no matter how hard you try and stall...........my MiG-29 "Falcon Hunter"'s gonna run your F-16s into the sands hahaha

02-02-2005, 18:16 PM	#100 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	In the few instances where a Mig-29 has faced off with an F-16, it has ended very badly for the Mig driver, everytime.

02-02-2005, 18:26 PM	#101 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	'Wrong, I have an arms catalog regarding Rosoboronexport sales. The MiG-29SMT, which is equipped with the latest Russian Generation of Plasma stealth, will not be fielded outside the Russia airforce.' Well your arms catalog is wrong cuz. The Mig-29SMT has been offered to numerous countries. Apparently, no one wants them...

02-02-2005, 21:12 PM	#102 (permalink)
ajaybhutani *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-05-04 Posts: 2,100	i was under an impression that russians are planning to give plasma stealth feature to mig29K to be procured by India. and even for upgrades.??Though i dont remember where i read it.

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