Never-seen battle in Indian skies (Mig-35 vs Super Hornet) - Page 7

kuku · 05-03-2008, 01:36 AM

This is the MiG-35, let our dear neighbors have them, well they already have the engines, let them have the rest of the plane.

We will not be dead because of some MiG-29 on steroids, have that much of trust on the IAF.

I think you buy the propoganda of these weapon manufacturers too easily.

sohamsri · 05-03-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kuku

This is the MiG-35, let our dear neighbors have them, well they already have the engines, let them have the rest of the plane.

We will not be dead because of some MiG-29 on steroids, have that much of trust on the IAF.

I think you buy the propoganda of these weapon manufacturers too easily.

its not that man.... i like it, its powerful.

Zaphael · 05-03-2008, 13:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kuku

independent choice?

Saab - Technology for a Changing World - Gripen for India â€“ the independent choice

Can the Gripen supercruise while hauling THAT load?

Honestly, if there is a truly multi-role fighter, its the F-16. If getting a Multi Role Combat Aircraft is really what the IAF wants, go for the Block 60. Hauls everything, shoots everything. With CFTs, they get a decent range out of it as well.

Any sortie there is, the F-16 can do it.

sohamsri · 05-04-2008, 01:00 AM

Can anyone tell me which version of f-16s pakistan has ? as in which block ?

BenRoethig · 05-05-2008, 00:33 AM

Block 15P. They are scheduled to get the MLU upgrade though. 18 Block 52s are also on order with an option for an additional 18.

sohamsri · 05-05-2008, 10:18 AM

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Block 15P. They are scheduled to get the MLU upgrade though. 18 Block 52s are also on order with an option for an additional 18.

i am sorry for my lack of knowledge, but since i want tolearn further, what is MLU ?

Blademaster · 05-05-2008, 11:17 AM

MLU - Mid-Life Upgrade. It is a process where they upgrade the aging avionics to newer models of avioinics, disamble the airframe and check for cracks and stress and such and replace any part necessary, and do the same thing to the engine. It is a process that will take several months.

sohamsri · 05-05-2008, 13:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

MLU - Mid-Life Upgrade. It is a process where they upgrade the aging avionics to newer models of avioinics, disamble the airframe and check for cracks and stress and such and replace any part necessary, and do the same thing to the engine. It is a process that will take several months.

Thank you sir.

sohamsri · 05-05-2008, 13:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaphael

Can the Gripen supercruise while hauling THAT load?

Honestly, if there is a truly multi-role fighter, its the F-16. If getting a Multi Role Combat Aircraft is really what the IAF wants, go for the Block 60. Hauls everything, shoots everything. With CFTs, they get a decent range out of it as well.

Any sortie there is, the F-16 can do it.

the frame of the f-16 has not been built for supercruising. To add something new for the IAF deal they just forcibly changed the tail to make it supercruise.

A lockheed personnel commented that the control on the plane while supercruising is not satisfactory.

therefore its just an accessory, not the best utility item.

BenRoethig · 05-05-2008, 16:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

MLU - Mid-Life Upgrade. It is a process where they upgrade the aging avionics to newer models of avioinics, disamble the airframe and check for cracks and stress and such and replace any part necessary, and do the same thing to the engine. It is a process that will take several months.

In other words, they give older F-16s capabilities approaching newer blocks. For Pakistan it gives their F-16s BVR missile capability.

Tronic · 05-05-2008, 21:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kuku

If Pakistan is interested in inducting the MiG-35, we should encourage them to get it.

I'll second that! Its sad the Pakistanis didn't get the Abrams in the 80s. Arjun would have been rolling in numbers by now.

sohamsri · 05-06-2008, 09:04 AM

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I'll second that! Its sad the Pakistanis didn't get the Abrams in the 80s. Arjun would have been rolling in numbers by now.

Super unfortunately..... the Arjun has not met the expectations of the Indian army.

..... i guess we rely on the state of the art - T-90s... nothing wrong with them, but the arjun is awsome, I saw its inside in the defence expo.... upgraded with night vision and other fancy utilities, it did catch a lot of my attention.

coming back to IAF, now the Indian govt. is checking the past records of all the companies, and they are dissapointed that every single one has tricked another country in some way.

sohamsri · 05-06-2008, 09:10 AM

does the delta wing configuration like in the gripen, rafale and eurofighter make much difference ?

highsea · 05-06-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sohamsri

the frame of the f-16 has not been built for supercruising. To add something new for the IAF deal they just forcibly changed the tail to make it supercruise.

A lockheed personnel commented that the control on the plane while supercruising is not satisfactory.

therefore its just an accessory, not the best utility item.

Where in the world did you hear this bunch of nonsense??

sohamsri · 05-06-2008, 21:40 PM

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Where in the world did you hear this bunch of nonsense??

i swear on my life this is true. its not nonsense i read it in a news website.... i'm frantically searching for the article but i don't remember which one it was.

05-03-2008, 01:36 AM	#91 (permalink)
kuku Contributor Join Date: 02-28-08 Location: delhi Posts: 619 Country:	This is the MiG-35, let our dear neighbors have them, well they already have the engines, let them have the rest of the plane. We will not be dead because of some MiG-29 on steroids, have that much of trust on the IAF. I think you buy the propoganda of these weapon manufacturers too easily. __________________ cheers

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