Thread: Never-seen battle in Indian skies (Mig-35 vs Super Hornet)

Anyway back to topic......

What would be more important in India specific scenarios a TVC or a Super Cruise?

Originally Posted by sohamsri

Can anyone answer these two question of mine ? I mean no offence to anyone.

1) Why do Americans always favour the Pakistanis ? Not just politically, but in every sense.

This has its roots in the days, when for whatever geopolitical realities, India was perceived to be in the Soviet Block. That is, in the block of their most dreaded enemy.
Things have changed a lot, and they are still changing.
This Clancy thingy is a clown. Don't trouble your poor self buddy.

Originally Posted by Deltacamelately

This has its roots in the days, when for whatever geopolitical realities, India was perceived to be in the Soviet Block. That is, in the block of their most dreaded enemy.
Things have changed a lot, and they are still changing.
This Clancy thingy is a clown. Don't trouble your poor self buddy.

Things are not changing ! US is not providing any military aid to India like in the case of Pakistan.

In their so-called ******** " war against terrorism " they go around giving pakistan f-16s at chor bazaar prices and millions of dollars. Which pakistan just uses to strengthen its military against India. That's so <beep> fair !

Now even Russia is not as supportive as they used to be, because they think we are leaning towards US, and our retarded politicians are assuring them of the truth of their line of thinking.
Tomorrow india is attacked and neither we get US help nor Russian. Great !!!

Our govt. has seriously lost it, they are true losers, trying to go around please and flatter everyone. And sadly even the next govt. is going to be a weak coalition as judged from the current state of affairs.

Is super-cruise more relevant to India or thrust vector ?

Originally Posted by sohamsri

Things are not changing ! US is not providing any military aid to India like in the case of Pakistan.

In their so-called ******** " war against terrorism " they go around giving pakistan f-16s at chor bazaar prices and millions of dollars. Which pakistan just uses to strengthen its military against India. That's so <beep> fair !

Now even Russia is not as supportive as they used to be, because they think we are leaning towards US, and our retarded politicians are assuring them of the truth of their line of thinking.
Tomorrow india is attacked and neither we get US help nor Russian. Great !!!

Our govt. has seriously lost it, they are true losers, trying to go around please and flatter everyone. And sadly even the next govt. is going to be a weak coalition as judged from the current state of affairs.

Sohamsri, Countries do not have friends they have interests. Currently it is in India's economic and geopolitical interest to cozy up to the united states. The US would like to use us a counterweight to China, thus it is in their interest to cozy up to us. However the primary front of the war on terror is still Afghanistan/Pakistan so the US has a much higher interest in them. All those troops in Afghanistan depend on supply from Pakistan.
Russia will also look to its interests which almost always are opposed to the US. Their main tool of influence on us is weapons so they are playing around with India. There is very little that a coalition govt such as ours can do. We need both nations for different reasons.

Originally Posted by bolo121

Sohamsri, Countries do not have friends they have interests. Currently it is in India's economic and geopolitical interest to cozy up to the united states. The US would like to use us a counterweight to China, thus it is in their interest to cozy up to us. However the primary front of the war on terror is still Afghanistan/Pakistan so the US has a much higher interest in them. All those troops in Afghanistan depend on supply from Pakistan.
Russia will also look to its interests which almost always are opposed to the US. Their main tool of influence on us is weapons so they are playing around with India. There is very little that a coalition govt such as ours can do. We need both nations for different reasons.

okay......whatever you guys say. Can't our next PM do anything about all this and get India back on the strong player list ?

If US wants to counter China, why does it support Pkistan so vigorously, knowing that they are STRONG and cemented chinese buddies ??????

Originally Posted by sohamsri

If US wants to counter China, why does it support Pakistan so vigorously, knowing that they are STRONG and cemented chinese buddies ?

- They can do with a little help from Pakistan for the current war in Afghanistan.

- Pakistan has been their ally for a longer period.

- India will never form any military alliance with any nation. Some simple parts of a military equipment deal are enough to cause a political uproar, so forget about military alliances and all.

- These things keep on changing, well i have read recently that China and USA were very close on military cooperation to counter Russia, so forget all the talk of democratic nations being friends and all, its all about power.

- If we really need support around our negibourhood to deal with a situation or situations, then the job is not done, much more hard work required, i hope our generation can get the nation to that stage(when we do not need support or assistance), so work hard at what you do.

For all that matters, reading some history online, it seems till the early 60s USA and India were quite close, and then remember the early 70s.

okay...... sorry

now........

Does thrust vector make more sense to India or super cruise ?

As has been said before
if it allows the aircraft to turn tightly, and perform extremely high alpha (angle of attack) maneuvers without huge aerodynamic control surfaces, it will be helpful, even though combat might be happening in BVR, i dont think people manning multi million dollar modern machines will like to have a disadvantage in WVR.

I think cost is also a important question, a fighter aircraft is a complex machine and adding stuff will sure make it more complex, If the nozzles or vanes used get worn out quickly and need replacement/maintenance the cost factor will creep in.

Now its a question of is the added capability worth the cost?
and
Does this provide a real increase in combat situations?
with high off-boresight capability, helmet mounted display and sight system, and shrinking size of electronics which is getting more effective with the reduction in size.

Any one care to enlighten us?

Originally Posted by kuku

As has been said before
if it allows the aircraft to turn tightly, and perform extremely high alpha (angle of attack) maneuvers without huge aerodynamic control surfaces, it will be helpful, even though combat might be happening in BVR, i dont think people manning multi million dollar modern machines will like to have a disadvantage in WVR.

I think cost is also a important question, a fighter aircraft is a complex machine and adding stuff will sure make it more complex, If the nozzles or vanes used get worn out quickly and need replacement/maintenance the cost factor will creep in.

Now its a question of is the added capability worth the cost?
and
Does this provide a real increase in combat situations?
with high off-boresight capability, helmet mounted display and sight system, and shrinking size of electronics which is getting more effective with the reduction in size.

Any one care to enlighten us?

Excellent question, exactly what was going in my mind...... unfortunately I am too young to answer that, lets wait.....

anybody ?

Originally Posted by sohamsri

Anyway back to topic......

What would be more important in India specific scenarios a TVC or a Super Cruise?

would say both