Adux

PAK-FA is a reality, anyways Typhoon is a pretty good option except it is not truely Multirole as of yet. And the rest of the consortium countries arent putting in money anymore, they want India to spend for their research. If TOT's are favourable and will be since if we become a partner country. Then its worth money spend.

Blademaster

If typhoon was on the table, I would not take it because the Su-30s does its job quite nicely and it would be too expensive to field the Su-30s and the Typhoon at the same time because of logistics and fuel costs. The MRCA order is for replacement of the Mig-21s, Mig-23s, and other planes that needed to be replaced. I don't understand why the F-35 was not offered because if it was, I would immediately take it in a heartbeat and increase the order to 300. I would forget about the LCA.

Adux

MRCA order is for MiG-23's and MiG-27's , MiG-21's are supposed to be replaced by LCA's. The above two are strike platforms 23's and 27's. We are looking at deep penetration into enemy terrirtory, and this might have some uses for the Cold Start Doctrine

Sumku

It sure will

I for sure would still not want to place all bets on a single fighter[to me its a case of all eggs in one basket]


Present requirements of IAF does not warrant it to have F-22 Raptor or F-35.
We are never going to be at war with any countries having these[and if that happens, then thats some real bad foreign policy]. Again both of these are not going to be made available to Pakistan or China[with whom we have a 90% chance of seeing war within our lifetimes]. And if these are by chance going to be made avaialable to China or Pakistan, then there's no need to give Billions to a company of a Country that's giving such cutting edge tools of Offense to India's known adversaries.

So even if PAk-FA might not be able to able to leverage the F-35 or F-22, they would still be much much better than anything China or Pakistan are going to get. And BTW, PAK-FA is going to leave the Drawing board soon, very soon.You want concrete Non-Indian, Non-Russian links, tell me. I will be more than happy to oblige you.

As concerns Stealth, again the same logic. None of our known adversaries are going to have it either anytime soon. They will have it ofcourse at some time in future, but so would India. We would love to have Stealth before them, but there's only so much you can get for that much money.So asking for Stealth now, in my opinion is not feasible.

Exactly my point. Super Hornet is the best bet for India to have. Boeing with its $1Billion tie up with Tata's are already on course to achieve that 50% Offset.


I sitll would want to have
F/A-18 E/F: 60
Rafale: 40
Mig35: 26
License produce about 230 Sukhois 30MKI's quickly.

Sumku

Correct. The order for MMRCA is to replace not the Mig-21's but the Mig23's and Mig27's. Mig-21's are to be replaced by LCA

Sumku

Exactly. Su-30MKI does all the job that the Typhoon does. We already have the license to make, as Adux said, about 230 of these. So why add more on Logistics, Spare, Training etc on a plane whose capabilities are no better that what we already have.

And no, we dont F-35 or for that matter F-22. I have posted it just now, I'll do it again.

kuku

F-35? why would they delay the MMRCA to 2020, any chance of that plane arriving in Indian airfields before that.

LCA? why would you want to forget it, its value as a national project should more than make up for the cost and time delays, can not keep on buying planes for ever.

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Adux

What is your age

And this when we are trying to reduce our logistical problems, Whatever we are buying we should just buy one type and hopefully by 2025 we have LCA, Su, MRCA and PAK-FA.

Sumku

F-35 isnt developed yet, so no chance of it getting offered anytime soon before 2015-2020. I guess you meant F-22 Raptor.

First things First. India would not be able to field F-22 in large numbers[due to its costs which should include Cost of AirFrames+Training Costs+Fuels+Ammo Costs+Spare and whole lot of other things].

Second.We not only want Qualitative Superiority over our adversaries but Numerical Superiority as well, considering at some day it becomes India Vs China+Pakistan.

Third. Even if 300 F-22 Raptor Airframes are available for free[just imagine], I would still not forget about LCA. LCA is taking time but dont forget about the learning curve its providing us. Quite Simply India is making such a plane for the first time. Japan is supposed to be more technologically,economically more ahead of India and yet how many planes they have made to date.
China with its economy[double of India] isn't just producing copies of Russian planes afterall. Leasons learnt from LCA would help to Produce MCA more quickly[if the government takes a decision at some time and gives a go-ahead].

Adux

PAK-FA is a reality, it is a vital programme for RuAF as well as the Russian arms industry, they will get the budget, though I dont beleive in their timelines.

Anyways,

Brits are not getting what they want from the Americans for the F-35, and that kind of international politics is supposed to be OK with US!!!. F-35 is not entering IAF.

Adux

Sumku,

Calm Down


Adu

Sumku

The only addition if you look at list carefully is with Addition of SH and Rafale.

Rafale should not be a logistical nightmare, since Rafale about 60% of parts in use with Rafale and Mirage are common.
Mig35's should not be a problem.

Frankly speaking is there an option. Are you willing to put all your eggs in a single basket.

You already know how things are going between, US and Pakistan. US is a love and hate relationship with Pakistan with very real chance that it could again turn to a love affair between the two.

Imagine, let say that we have only SH's in IAF as per MMRCA. Is there a 100% guarantee that tomorrow when US rediscovers its long lost love with Pakistan would not stop spares for SH from coming over, or Worst still pass on SH's heat signature to PAF.

As concerns India-US relationship, it too phoney, I mean its too much of broad and big talks than big actions. Have we forgotten that in not too distant past, US stopped the spares of SeaKing helicopters to India ?

Now tell me whats your age?

Sumku

am cool man.

Adux

There is a difference between India and Pakistan, Your idea will not be done, therefore it is not worth the discussion.
It will be 126 of the same make, and the eggs are not in the same basket We will have 60% Ruskie to 40% Indian and MRCA.

We will be building all our aircrafts here except for the first 18. So please dont compare ourseleves with Pakistan, and I am 26.

I just said Shornet is the right aircraft for our need, while it might not be the best political choice. I believe Rafale and Eurofighter stands the best choice. F-16 and F-18 are American, MiG-35 is NO NO because of PAK-FA and Sukhoi's.

Gun Grape

A whole bunch.

F-1 fighter produced from the 1970s- 77

F-2 In production planned total 97 it is a 60/40 split between Japan/US and based on the Agile Falcon proposal that the USAF declined. Assembly is done in Japan.

They also build the F-15J under license

They have also produced various jet Training aircraft since the 1950s. Have a strong civilian transport sector and build various helos . Both domestic designs and under license.

Probably not a good example if your trying to make a point about Indian domestic aircraft teething problems.