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Old 03-25-2008, 06:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Pilot sues Boeing over F-15 breaking apart

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U.S. Pilot Sues Boeing Over F-15 Falling Apart

By Bruce Rolfsen, Defense News
Published: 24 Mar 15:27 EDT (11:27 GMT) Print | Email

The pilot of the F-15C Eagle that broke apart in November, forcing an U.S. Air Force-wide grounding of F-15s, has sued the jet's builder.

Maj. Stephen Stilwell's lawsuit accuses Boeing Co. of endangering the lives of F-15 pilots and claims the company should have known the fighter wasn't built to specifications.

The lawsuit seeks more than $75,000 from Boeing. The 27-year-old jet was built by McDonnell Douglas, which became part of Boeing in 1997.

The "misconduct of Boeing constituted gross indifference" and a "conscious disregard for the safety of F-15 pilots," the lawsuit filed March 21 in St. Louis, Mo., federal district court claims.

The lawsuit says that Stilwell, a Missouri Air National Guard and commercial airline pilot, has not been cleared to return to flying military or civilian jets because of the injuries he suffered as the plane broke into pieces and he ejected. Calls to Boeing were not immediately returned.

After the Nov. 2 breakup, an Air Force investigation which included assistance from Boeing, determined that the fighter broke apart behind the cockpit because one of the support beams - called a longeron -that reinforces the fuselage snapped apart. The aluminum-alloy longeron failed because it was thinner than what specifications called for and its rough finish left the longeron susceptible to cracking.

The breakup occurred as Stilwell flew a 7.8G-turn, a standard training maneuver.

An inspection of all Air Force F-15s turned up 149 that also had thin or rough finished longerons and nine jets with cracked longerons.

Since the inspections, the Air Force has cleared most of its 420-plus F-15s to return to flight. However, Eagles with questionable longerons must be inspected more often.
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Edit: In light of the pilot in question's rank, I'll retract my comment on a public forum, heh.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I can barely believe that a serving officer would do such a thing. What a litigious society we live in.
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Why sue Boeing? The Eagle is 30 years old. Sue congress for getting enough Raptors in the field quick enough to replace them.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Why sue Boeing? The Eagle is 30 years old. Sue congress for getting enough Raptors in the field quick enough to replace them.
How likely is that to happen? And if it did it would be the thin end of the wedge. Where would it end? The Majors action is exceedingly ill-advised in my opinion and he should be dismissed from the service.
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Old 03-25-2008, 19:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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In my part of the world we would call the Major a "Numbty"!!
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Old 03-25-2008, 19:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Glyn,

the good major is permanently grounded because he sustained serious potentially fatal and life-ending, career ending injuries because Boeing engineers or workers failed to perform according to specifications as called for. That's negligence right there.
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Old 03-25-2008, 20:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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For someone who has lost his flying career and sustained severe injuries $27.000 seems a small amount. Especially when compared to the millions a woman received for spilling a cup of coffee over herself whilst driving her car a few years ago.
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Glyn,

the good major is permanently grounded because he sustained serious potentially fatal and life-ending, career ending injuries because Boeing engineers or workers failed to perform according to specifications as called for. That's negligence right there.

I could not agree more. If he was suing for millions I would question it but $75,000 is nothing and there certainly was negligence somewhere.
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Old 03-25-2008, 21:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Its people like the "Good Major" that give the National Guard a bad name.
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Old 03-25-2008, 21:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I am mixed on this one, The airplane was not built to specifications and caused a service memeber to be badly injured and an airplane lost thats very bad. It wasn't a signle isolated incident which is even worse. I'm not seeing boeing offering a squadron of new f-15's to make up for the bad one's and he has pretty much been crippled in that he has been unable to resume both his military and civilian flying duties. I don't like him indepenandtly suing boeing but I'm not sure what other recourse he has.

149 out of just under 450 not meeting specs isn't isolated its really really bad quality control. A structural part not being right when I have been seriously punished or fined because I was short 2 turns on one of 2 securing peices of wire on a locked cannon plug inside of a enclosed bay non-functional to the direct flying of an aircraft because something might happen. (also cost the company I worked for a little bit extra money either 2500 or 5000) I forget due to certain numbers of safety violations in our contract even though there were lots of identical cannonplugs elsewhere on the plane that had no safetywire. I'm amazed that the AF isn't going out of their way to get alot of cash back from boeing on this especially considering the way they are fairly finaincially strapped at the moment.

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Good on the Major

Why not. It's not the money. He's picked a number that'll get Boeing's attention. They'll spend as much researching and attempting settlement. It's low enough that he doesn't need to settle as much as have his case HEARD.

Right on.
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Well said as usual S-2.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:58 AM   #14 (permalink)
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When soldiers have to make to with defective products, they die. When civilians have to make to with defective products, they sue the company and get settlements to guarantee a lifetime of happiness.

The Major is trying to make his point in a clear and concise way. He is faced with a piece of equipment that can kill him, and he does not think dying that way is the same as dying for his country.
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Somehow I dont think this is the track a military men should take, but i dont understand government apathy towards its servicemen especially since i am an Indian.

Whats with Americans and sueing, that too for stupid reasons and walking away atrocious amount of money, Cup between the legs is a good example. She doesnt have to keep it there in the first place. Bad precedent for the American judicial system.
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