Knaur Amarsh

Nothing I can think of at the moment,I do have a question in mind,however,I don't know the answerMaybe someone in this thread would be kind enough to tell me......when did they ban smoking in aircrafts....also,why did they do it?Just security reasons or was it something else?Thx.

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dave lukins

Looking on the UK site the date given is: October 1987. The reasons are various, health issues..second hand smoke..re-circulated smoky air. As a non smoker that's fine with me, the wife is a smoker and she's not a happy teddy about it

Castellano

Might be off topic, but I thought I drop a question here with knowledgeable people on something I’m curious about, but have not been able to find the answer (probably has been covered dozens of times, but I just couldn’t find it). It is very basic really:

What is the jet fighter with more victories?

I guess it is the Me-262…

But what about post-WWII? F-15 or Mirage III perhaps?

None of the above?

Is it controversial?

Is there a reliable list somewhere with the top numbers?

Many thanks in advance.

dave lukins

26 November, 1943 was to be a fateful day for the Me 262. During a demonstration of the Luftwaffe's latest equipment Hitler he asked "Can it carry bombs". Eager to please the Führer, Messerschmitt assured him that it could carry a bomb load of 500kg and perhaps 1000kg. That was all Hitler needed to hear. "For years I have been demanding a fast bomber from the Luftwaffe - and now in this aircraft you present to me as a fighter I see the Blitz Bomber. Of course none of you thought of that!". Hitler envisioned his new bomber streaming over the impending Allied invasion causing havoc and confusion to the extent of allowing his ground forces to repel the attack on the beaches. This was not to happen.

The aircraft, as a bomber, was plagued with problems. As a dive bomber, the 262 would exceed its maximum speed, as a low level bomber it consumed too much fuel thus unacceptably reducing range, and as a high level bomber without an appropriate bomb sight the pilot would be lucky to hit within the same zip code of the target. With the exception of one aircraft, the V10 which was used for bomber testing, development of the 262 continued as a fighter.



Castellano, I doubt that it was a record holder when it comes to "Victories"

dave lukins

As for the F15 v Mirage. I think the f15's proven record tells it's own story.



In the Israeli- Lebonese Border disputes(1979-81) 31 Mig21 and 2 Mig25. In the Lebonese War(1982) it accounted for 40 Syrian aircraft (23 Mig21 and 17 Mig23).

Castellano

Yes Hitler was not only immoral, but a fool too. Not aware of his limitations to start with, which inevitably plagued the rest of his "thinking". Me-262 history of misuse as a bomber instead of a fighter is a good example. But the Germans did use it as a fighter/interceptor in missions against bomber raids, I understand with some success.

Maybe it is more meaningful to separate victories against any kind of aircraft, including bombers, and victories against other fighters.

As a said, a not so quick look in WAB and Google didn't give me the answer.

Gun Grape

Tom Coopers ACIG website has the most extensive data on Air to Air combat and victories on the web. That said take a lot of the info with a grain of salt. He does accept about any claim. Confirmed or not. And some of them, especially from the Iraq/Iran war, are out of this world.

Aside from that a great site. A really nice model section. Almost up to Nord standards

edit: I guess I could be nice and provide a link

Database - acig.org

dave lukins

They must be good

Knaur Amarsh

ThxThat explains why Iv never been on a plane that allowed smoking.....incidentially I was looking at this website about things auctioned off from the Concorde and it included ashtrays,thats what got me thinking..

You might as well post a question to which you know the answer,since no-one else has done that since yesterday

dave lukins

I have a Concorde souvenir that could be bought on board, it is a 6" letter opener(metal)in the shape of Concorde. In todays Security climate I would be arrested for carrying one in these troubled days

dave lukins

What date did the Eurofighter 2000 first take to the Skies?

Silent Hunter

The F-4 is up there- it's been described as "The World's Leading Distributor of MiG Parts".

dave lukins

Knaur Amarsh

As long as one doesn't happen to be a Viscount Castlereagh fan

dave lukins

Robert and the Irish Act of Union...no, Politics have never interested me(much). I've always worked for a living