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glyn · 04-10-2008, 17:03 PM

What jet aircraft was the first to be introduced into service with an afterburner (re-heat) system. The same aircraft had a feature which is not found on modern aircraft. What was it?

7thsfsniper · 04-10-2008, 19:53 PM

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Originally Posted by glyn

What jet aircraft was the first to be introduced into service with an afterburner (re-heat) system. The same aircraft had a feature which is not found on modern aircraft. What was it?

a propeller, xf-84f thunderscreech

RustyBattleship · 04-10-2008, 23:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

a propeller, xf-84f thunderscreech

Ah yes. The turbo prop version of the F-84. I've heard that test pilots hated it.

GAU-8 · 04-11-2008, 00:07 AM

Much earlier Gents---depending on how you define "introduced into service."

The XF-84F had reheat and a prop. IMHO, propellers are still found on modern aircraft in production now.

Like the XF-84F, this aircraft was a testbed. As such, it fielded:

1-- The first afterburner.

2-- A feature not found on modern aircraft: The ducted fan.

Caproni-Campini N.1

Compliments of the Virtual Aircraft History Site:

It is perhaps surprising at first sight that, having been the second nation to fly an air-breathing jet-propelled aeroplane, Italy did not feature among the leading nations in this field of technology. But in truth the Caproni-Campini N.1 was no more than an ingenious freak which employed a conventional piston engine to drive a variable-pitch ducted-fan compressor with rudimentary afterburning. As such it did nothing to further gas turbine research, and was to all intents and purposes a technical dead-end. The engineer Secondo Campini had created a company in 1931 to pursue research into reaction propulsion and in 1939 persuaded Caproni to build an aircraft to accommodate the fruits of this work, namely the adaptation of an Isotta- Fraschini radial engine driving a ducted-fan compressor; the compressed air was exhausted through a variable-area nozzle in the aircraft's extreme tail, and additional fuel could be ignited in the tailpipe to increase thrust. The two-seat low-wing N.1 (sometimes referred to as the CC.2) was first flown at Taliedo on 28 August 1940 by Mario de Bernadi. A number of set-piece demonstration flights was undertaken, including one of 270km from Taliedo to Gindoma at an average speed of 209km/h, but it was clear from the outset that use of a three-stage fan compressor driven by a piston engine would limit further development, and the experiment was abandoned early in 1942 when Italy was faced with sterner priorities. The N.1 survives today in the Museo della Scienza Technica at Milan as a monument to ingenuity if not sophisticated technology.

7thsfsniper · 04-11-2008, 00:51 AM

I have to admit I had never heard of this plane until I came across it a few days ago looking for Glyns "screeching kiddie car". After a "what the heck?" I actually mentioned it in a reply. I think some engineers where experimenting witha little more than aircraft when they came up with this one, know what I mean?

glyn · 04-11-2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thsfsniper

a propeller, xf-84f thunderscreech

No.

glyn · 04-11-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RustyBattleship

Ah yes. The turbo prop version of the F-84. I've heard that test pilots hated it.

The sound generated by its propeller used to make ground crews ill and they had to limit the time the brute spent ground running.

glyn · 04-11-2008, 04:22 AM

[quote=GAU-8;480358][font="Comic Sans MS"][size="3"]Much earlier Gents---depending on how you define "introduced into service."

Absolutely! The machine I'm thinking of did see regular squadron service.

The XF-84F had reheat and a prop. IMHO, propellers are still found on modern aircraft in production now.

1-- The first afterburner.
2-- A feature not found on modern aircraft:

dave lukins · 04-11-2008, 05:12 AM

F89A Scorpion

Tin Man · 04-11-2008, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dave lukins

F89A Scorpion

Hmm, if it was the Scorpion, it had a deceleron, a split aileron. This is fitted to the B-2 so the unique feature cannot be this...not entirely sure though!

I will go for the W.2/700 engined Gloucester Meteors with watercooling and afterburner.

dave lukins · 04-11-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tin Man

I will go for the W.2/700 engined Gloucester Meteors with watercooling and afterburner.

My 1st choices were the Meteor or the B-siddeley Olympus

PS. Knowing Glyn it will be an old obscure relic like a Junkers

glyn · 04-11-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tin Man

Hmm, if it was the Scorpion, it had a deceleron, a split aileron. This is fitted to the B-2 so the unique feature cannot be this...not entirely sure though!

I will go for the W.2/700 engined Gloucester Meteors with watercooling and afterburner.

Negatroid, Murgatroyd!

Afterburning Meteors never saw squadron service.

For some reason I thought Rusty B would have come up with the answer.

dave lukins · 04-11-2008, 08:42 AM

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For some reason I thought Rusty B would have come up with the answer.

Is that a clue I wonder

F6U Pirate

7thsfsniper · 04-11-2008, 09:04 AM

Ok, strike one for me. Here's my second swing. This is probably way off. The f-94 starfire was the first interceptor to use an afterburner AND be put into service. This is where my swing gets wild. I noticed it utilized M-2s for armament. I think this may have been the last fighter jet to utilize the 50s. Ok Glyn, sock it to me.

Tin Man · 04-11-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dave lukins

My 1st choices were the Meteor or the B-siddeley Olympus

PS. Knowing Glyn it will be an old obscure relic like a Junkers

Great minds and all that..We were both wrong

Sniper`, I was thinking the Starfire too but couldn`t think of a unique feature..
Good luck!

04-10-2008, 17:03 PM	#541 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,886	What jet aircraft was the first to be introduced into service with an afterburner (re-heat) system. The same aircraft had a feature which is not found on modern aircraft. What was it? __________________ Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

04-11-2008, 00:07 AM	#544 (permalink)
GAU-8 Old Cold Warrior *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-14-07 Location: Grapevine, Texas Posts: 606 Country:	Much earlier Gents---depending on how you define *"introduced into service."* The XF-84F had reheat and a prop. IMHO, propellers are still found on modern aircraft in production now. Like the XF-84F, this aircraft was a testbed. As such, it fielded: 1-- The first afterburner. 2-- A feature not found on modern aircraft: The ducted fan. Caproni-Campini N.1 Compliments of the Virtual Aircraft History Site: It is perhaps surprising at first sight that, having been the second nation to fly an air-breathing jet-propelled aeroplane, Italy did not feature among the leading nations in this field of technology. But in truth the Caproni-Campini N.1 was no more than an ingenious freak which employed a conventional piston engine to drive a variable-pitch ducted-fan compressor with rudimentary afterburning. As such it did nothing to further gas turbine research, and was to all intents and purposes a technical dead-end. The engineer Secondo Campini had created a company in 1931 to pursue research into reaction propulsion and in 1939 persuaded Caproni to build an aircraft to accommodate the fruits of this work, namely the adaptation of an Isotta- Fraschini radial engine driving a ducted-fan compressor; the compressed air was exhausted through a variable-area nozzle in the aircraft's extreme tail, and additional fuel could be ignited in the tailpipe to increase thrust. The two-seat low-wing N.1 (sometimes referred to as the CC.2) was first flown at Taliedo on 28 August 1940 by Mario de Bernadi. A number of set-piece demonstration flights was undertaken, including one of 270km from Taliedo to Gindoma at an average speed of 209km/h, but it was clear from the outset that use of a three-stage fan compressor driven by a piston engine would limit further development, and the experiment was abandoned early in 1942 when Italy was faced with sterner priorities. The N.1 survives today in the Museo della Scienza Technica at Milan as a monument to ingenuity if not sophisticated technology. Last edited by GAU-8 : 04-11-2008 at 09:54 AM.

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7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 1,232 Country:	I have to admit I had never heard of this plane until I came across it a few days ago looking for Glyns "screeching kiddie car". After a "what the heck?" I actually mentioned it in a reply. I think some engineers where experimenting witha little more than aircraft when they came up with this one, know what I mean?

04-11-2008, 04:22 AM	#548 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,886	[quote=GAU-8;480358][font="Comic Sans MS"][size="3"]Much earlier Gents---depending on how you define *"introduced into service."* Absolutely! The machine I'm thinking of did see regular squadron service. The XF-84F had reheat and a prop. IMHO, propellers are still found on modern aircraft in production now. 1-- The first afterburner. 2-- A feature not found on modern aircraft:

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04-11-2008, 09:04 AM	#554 (permalink)
7thsfsniper DEVOUT BIKER *Military Professional* Join Date: 02-29-08 Location: Missouri, pron"misery" Posts: 1,232 Country:	Ok, strike one for me. Here's my second swing. This is probably way off. The f-94 starfire was the first interceptor to use an afterburner AND be put into service. This is where my swing gets wild. I noticed it utilized M-2s for armament. I think this may have been the last fighter jet to utilize the 50s. Ok Glyn, sock it to me.

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