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Old 01-24-2008, 19:16 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Could it be the "T-Cat"
Oh, before the F7F (which was never fully carrier qualified )
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Old 01-24-2008, 19:32 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Oh, before the F7F (which was never fully carrier qualified )
Yes. Well before:

Cutiss biplane--Cut and paste from below web site: On January 18, 1911, in San Francisco bay, Eugene Ely landed on a wooden deck built over the stern of the USS Pennsylvania,. His arresting gear, to shorten the landing, consisted of sand filled sea bags attached to ropes stretched across this deck with the ropes raised from the deck by longitudinal timbers. Hooks to catch the ropes were attached to the plane. This arrangement is surprisingly close to later aircraft carrier arresting gear.

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First landing on a ship -- Glenn Curtiss Historical Society

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Old 01-24-2008, 19:59 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Yes. Well before:

Cutiss biplane--Cut and paste from below web site: On January 18, 1911, in San Francisco bay, Eugene Ely landed on a wooden deck built over the stern of the USS Pennsylvania,. His arresting gear, to shorten the landing, consisted of sand filled sea bags attached to ropes stretched across this deck with the ropes raised from the deck by longitudinal timbers. Hooks to catch the ropes were attached to the plane. This arrangement is surprisingly close to later aircraft carrier arresting gear.

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First landing on a ship -- Glenn Curtiss Historical Society

Good one Glyn
Well dear heart, although you will hate me for it I must disbar your answer The Pennsylvania was not an aircraft carrier! Good try though
The aircraft I have in mind landed on a real carrier.
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Old 01-24-2008, 20:00 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Yes. Well before:

Cutiss biplane--Cut and paste from below web site: On January 18, 1911, in San Francisco bay, Eugene Ely landed on a wooden deck built over the stern of the USS Pennsylvania,. His arresting gear, to shorten the landing, consisted of sand filled sea bags attached to ropes stretched across this deck with the ropes raised from the deck by longitudinal timbers. Hooks to catch the ropes were attached to the plane. This arrangement is surprisingly close to later aircraft carrier arresting gear.

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First landing on a ship -- Glenn Curtiss Historical Society

Good one Glyn
Looking at the picture, I thought to myself "I hope he was smart enough to wear a life jacket as well. Then I read the rest of the caption:

During a brief lunch with the ships officers, the arresting ropes and sand bags were removed and his plane was turned around. The pictures show that Ely was wearing motorcycle inner tubes around his waist and across his chest as a makeshift life preserver. His successfully took off and returned to land in the Presidio area of San Francisco
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Take a Deep Breath glyn

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Just what are you disputing about in my answer to BadKharma? I merely pointed out that it was not the first all metal aircraft. It may well have been the first all metal aircraft that operated from US Navy carriers. I'm not sure of the connection between the neccesity of wheel brakes with the materials used in airframe construction so I would appreciate clarification on that. I'm sure the introduction of brakes made for safer operation of the aircraft on the flight deck whatever materials were used in its construction.

I was disputing nothing
I was providing additional information about what BadKharma said and that he ws correct in that it was the first all metal US Navy carrier aircraft. Nothing more than what I said. The weight of the aircraft, partially because of its all metal construction, was one of the considerations why the Douglas engineers realized they needed brakes.

Just providing a little more info for those who did not know...thought that was one of the missions of WAB.
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Old 01-25-2008, 01:45 AM   #156 (permalink)
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Thanks GAU-8 I wasnt aware of that aircraft. I would have guessed the FH-1 Phantom.
Any time partner. Hope y'all are staying warm up there in Milwaukee. The Fireball was pretty neat. She wouldn't have had a chance of development outside of a major war effort. You might be interested in this web site about the Fireball:
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Now back to Glyn's question. I've got a good line on getting it but I need help from you Navy pukes out there. The Langley was the first U.S. carrier right? Were there any before her? I've almost got this one.

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Old 01-25-2008, 02:06 AM   #157 (permalink)
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Well dear heart, although you will hate me for it I must disbar your answer The Pennsylvania was not an aircraft carrier! Good try though
The aircraft I have in mind landed on a real carrier.
I stand corrected Sir:

"1st Airplane flown to a ship - Jan 10, 1911 - Eugene Ely, in Curtiss Albany Flyer, landed on a platform on USS Pennsylvania moored at San Francisco Bay."

I'll narrow it down to "proper carriers."

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Old 01-25-2008, 09:58 AM   #158 (permalink)
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Now back to Glyn's question. I've got a good line on getting it but I need help from you Navy pukes out there. The Langley was the first U.S. carrier right? Were there any before her? I've almost got this one.

Bill

Bill, fellow aeronaut, don't worry about the carriers name. I didn't ask fror that (mainly because I don't myself know! ) Just the aircraft type will do. And because it's me asking the question you know it is likely to be somewhat obscure!
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If you mean the Douglas BTD-1 Dave, No.
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That was a tough one Glyn. I learned a lot of other interesting things digging that one out.

OK, next question:

So highly regarded was this fighter that the Treaty of Versailles specifically mentioned that these aircraft were to be turned over to the Allies. Canada, Britain, and Australia received some; a few were preserved in museums, the remainder scrapped. European countries like Hungary, Netherlands, Lithuania, and Latvia used them for their air forces through the 1920's.

Name the aircraft.
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That was a tough one Glyn. I learned a lot of other interesting things digging that one out.

OK, next question:

So highly regarded was this fighter that the Treaty of Versailles specifically mentioned that these aircraft were to be turned over to the Allies. Canada, Britain, and Australia received some; a few were preserved in museums, the remainder scrapped. European countries like Hungary, Netherlands, Lithuania, and Latvia used them for their air forces through the 1920's.

Name the aircraft.
Fokker D-7
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Old 01-25-2008, 15:12 PM   #165 (permalink)
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Correct Sir.

Your question.
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