Women flying combat?

Silent Hunter · 12-20-2007, 06:53 AM

Which countries allow women to fly combat missions?

Tarek Morgen · 12-20-2007, 07:59 AM

Not lonmg ago the first female combat pilot received its license in Germany.
France allows it too, but I don't know if they have any active females pilots
Israel got its first 2001 iirc.
Norway has no law against it, but there are currently no female pilots (to my knowledge), the same goes for Poland.

-{SpoonmaN}- · 12-20-2007, 08:21 AM

Quite a lot. US Military Aviation, the RAF, RAAF, I think pretty much all EU Military Forces and the Canadian Forces all have aviation open to women. I think the IDF does now as well. They're usually only around in small numbers, I don't know if the RAAF has any female combat pilots at all, I know Belgium and the UK do, and the US Military has a fair few (keep in mind how huge US Military Aviation is) scattered around, although they're definitely the exception.

I'd imagine like most Military roles its going to be filled by more and more women as time goes by, right now it's still pretty early days and ignoring the fact that it's insanely hard to become a Fighter/Attack/Bomber/Gunship pilot, there aren't exactly a lot of chicks around who would even consider doing something like it, let alone be capable of getting through. It's going to take generations before socio-cultural attitudes change, which is something the PC Brigade never seem to understand.

Adux · 12-20-2007, 08:56 AM

Indians dont allow women to be in combat squadrons, but rather in Transports, Medivac etc.

Adux · 12-20-2007, 08:59 AM

Lt.Kalia dead body was send back to India after inhumane torture in 1999 after the Kargil War by the Pakistani's. Is the Indian Psyche ready to see a body of woman in his stead?

Its not about wether Women can do the job of a man or not but rather are the society in general especially woman ready to see their daughters go through the hardships of frontline combat.

gunnut · 12-20-2007, 17:50 PM

I saw a History Channel program talking about the B-1. It interviewed a B-1 pilot who is a woman, and absolutely gorgeous. Since she's a B-1 pilot, I would assume she flies combat missions.

Jimmy · 12-20-2007, 19:48 PM

There are also female fighter pilots in the US. That A-10 that got absolutely shredded but still came home was flown by a woman.

Southie · 12-20-2007, 21:23 PM

During Desert Storm the first woman pilot gave her life while flying in a combat zone. Major Marie T. Rossi died at age 32 on March 1, 1991, when the Chinook helicopter she was piloting crashed near her base in northern Saudia Arabia. The unit she commanded was among the very first American units to cross into enemy held territory flying fuel and ammunition to the rapidly advancing 101st and 82nd Airborne Divisions. Major Rossi is buried in Arlington Cemetery where her simple epitaph there reads "First Female Combat Commander To Fly into Battle."

Another of the first American woman to fly in combat in the '90s was Lt Col.Martha McSally, ranked as the top female Air Force pilot. Lt Col McSally was among the first women trained by the Air Force as a fighter pilot. During a 1995-96 tour of duty in Kuwait, she became the first woman in military history to fly a combat sortie in a fighter aircraft. She also flew more than 100combat hours on an A-10 Warthog attack plane over Iraq in the mid-1990s, and served as a flight commander and trainer of combat pilots.

Expat Canuck · 12-21-2007, 00:20 AM

Southie, I'm sure that the Russians during the war had female fighter pilots. I could be wrong but I feel pretty certain about it.

Personally I don't like it but it's not my place to say. If she wants to run the risk of getting shot down over enemy lines who don't like pilots much to begin with. As a woman POW I cringe at what she will be getting, over and over again.

I'm sure that she can fly just as good as a man as it's not as physical as say front line infantry.

Silent Hunter · 12-21-2007, 06:04 AM

Yes, they did, Canuck. Two made ace.

Ucar · 12-24-2007, 06:31 AM

Turkish Air Force allows women to fly in combat capable squadrons.

Khan_Han · 01-16-2008, 09:51 AM

In fact, the Worlds First Female Combat pilot is from Turkey. She was Mustafa Kemal Ataturks adopted daughter, Sabiha Gökçen.

See Sabiha GÃ¶kÃ§en - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Expat Canuck · 01-16-2008, 23:45 PM

I'll believe that when you find something credible to post buddy.

I'll go write up an article about how in reality I was the first to the moon and link it here.......

Also did you not read the Russian post? That is from world war two and a couple made ace.

J`ve · 01-17-2008, 08:30 AM

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World War I

Women served in the Russian armed forces in small numbers in the early stages of the war, but their numbers increased after heavy Russian losses such as at the Battle of Tannenburg and Masurian Lakes and a need for increased manpower. One such recruit was Maria Bochkareva who was serving with the 25th Reserve Battalion of the Russian Army. After the abdication of Nicholas II of Russia in March 1917, she convinced interim prime minister Alexander Kerensky to let her form a women's battalion. The Women's Battalion of Death recruited women between the ages of 13 and 25 and appealed for support in a series of public meetings, enlisting approximately 2,000 soldiers. The Battalion fought during the June Offensive against German forces in 1917. Three months of fighting dwindled their numbers to around two-hundred and fifty.

The Women's Battalion was disbanded after a failed political revolution known as the Kornilov Affair. Its leader, General Lavr Kornilov, had been strongly supported by Bachkarova, and the Women's Battalion were identified as potential sympathizers. The majority of the battalion's members were reformed as the First Petrograd Women's Battalion. This group was at the Winter Palace on the night of the Bolshevik Revolution, along with an untrained cadet detachment and a bicycle regiment. They mounted a stiff resistance but ultimately fell, although there were only 5 deaths in the storming of the Winter Palace. The triumphant Bolsheviks officially disbanded the group.

Several women pilots are known from the First World War. Princess Eugenie M. Shakovskaya was assigned duty as an artillery and reconnaissance pilot, having volunteered for the Imperial Russian Air Service in 1914 (one of the world’s first female military aviators) and flew missions with the 26th Corps Air Squadron in 1917 for nine months. Because of her connections to the Imperial family she was demobilized after the October Revolution. Lyubov A. Golanchikova was a test pilot, contributed her airplane to the Czarist armies; Helen P. Samsonova was assigned to the 5th Corps Air Squadron as a reconnaissance pilot. And in 1915, Nedeshda Degtereva had the distinction of being the first woman pilot to be wounded in combat while on a reconnaissance mission over the Austrian front in Galicia.

Women in the Russian and Soviet military - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

soutie · 01-17-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Expat Canuck

Southie, I'm sure that the Russians during the war had female fighter pilots. I could be wrong but I feel pretty certain about it.

Personally I don't like it but it's not my place to say. If she wants to run the risk of getting shot down over enemy lines who don't like pilots much to begin with. As a woman POW I cringe at what she will be getting, over and over again.

I'm sure that she can fly just as good as a man as it's not as physical as say front line infantry.

yeah they did there top woman ace was Lily Litvak

12-20-2007, 06:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
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12-20-2007, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tarek Morgen *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 02-08-07 Location: Kassel Posts: 807 Country:	Not lonmg ago the first female combat pilot received its license in Germany. France allows it too, but I don't know if they have any active females pilots Israel got its first 2001 iirc. Norway has no law against it, but there are currently no female pilots (to my knowledge), the same goes for Poland. __________________ uh I might be wrong

12-20-2007, 08:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
-{SpoonmaN}- Death, the Destroyer of Worlds... *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-08-04 Location: The badlands of West London. Posts: 1,455 Country:	Quite a lot. US Military Aviation, the RAF, RAAF, I think pretty much all EU Military Forces and the Canadian Forces all have aviation open to women. I think the IDF does now as well. They're usually only around in small numbers, I don't know if the RAAF has any female combat pilots at all, I know Belgium and the UK do, and the US Military has a fair few (keep in mind how huge US Military Aviation is) scattered around, although they're definitely the exception. I'd imagine like most Military roles its going to be filled by more and more women as time goes by, right now it's still pretty early days and ignoring the fact that it's insanely hard to become a Fighter/Attack/Bomber/Gunship pilot, there aren't exactly a lot of chicks around who would even consider doing something like it, let alone be capable of getting through. It's going to take generations before socio-cultural attitudes change, which is something the PC Brigade never seem to understand. __________________ "I have this to say to the people of Australia: Kick me, I'm different."

12-20-2007, 17:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
gunnut *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 01-27-06 Location: DPRK, Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 9,381 Country:	I saw a History Channel program talking about the B-1. It interviewed a B-1 pilot who is a woman, and absolutely gorgeous. Since she's a B-1 pilot, I would assume she flies combat missions. __________________ "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

12-20-2007, 21:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
Southie USAF Retired TSgt *Military Professional* Join Date: 04-09-07 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 1,560 Country:	During Desert Storm the first woman pilot gave her life while flying in a combat zone. Major Marie T. Rossi died at age 32 on March 1, 1991, when the Chinook helicopter she was piloting crashed near her base in northern Saudia Arabia. The unit she commanded was among the very first American units to cross into enemy held territory flying fuel and ammunition to the rapidly advancing 101st and 82nd Airborne Divisions. Major Rossi is buried in Arlington Cemetery where her simple epitaph there reads "First Female Combat Commander To Fly into Battle." Another of the first American woman to fly in combat in the '90s was Lt Col.Martha McSally, ranked as the top female Air Force pilot. Lt Col McSally was among the first women trained by the Air Force as a fighter pilot. During a 1995-96 tour of duty in Kuwait, she became the first woman in military history to fly a combat sortie in a fighter aircraft. She also flew more than 100combat hours on an A-10 Warthog attack plane over Iraq in the mid-1990s, and served as a flight commander and trainer of combat pilots. __________________ “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.” - Jimi Hendrix Don't Worry, Be Happy - Bobby McFerrin

12-20-2007, 08:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
Adux Banished Join Date: 07-29-05 Location: Cochin Posts: 2,931 Country:	Indians dont allow women to be in combat squadrons, but rather in Transports, Medivac etc.

12-20-2007, 08:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Adux Banished Join Date: 07-29-05 Location: Cochin Posts: 2,931 Country:	Lt.Kalia dead body was send back to India after inhumane torture in 1999 after the Kargil War by the Pakistani's. Is the Indian Psyche ready to see a body of woman in his stead? Its not about wether Women can do the job of a man or not but rather are the society in general especially woman ready to see their daughters go through the hardships of frontline combat.

12-20-2007, 19:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jimmy *Military Professional* Join Date: 11-16-05 Posts: 931 Country:	There are also female fighter pilots in the US. That A-10 that got absolutely shredded but still came home was flown by a woman.

12-21-2007, 00:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
Expat Canuck Homesick Fool *Military Professional* Join Date: 05-17-05 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,014 Country:	Southie, I'm sure that the Russians during the war had female fighter pilots. I could be wrong but I feel pretty certain about it. Personally I don't like it but it's not my place to say. If she wants to run the risk of getting shot down over enemy lines who don't like pilots much to begin with. As a woman POW I cringe at what she will be getting, over and over again. I'm sure that she can fly just as good as a man as it's not as physical as say front line infantry.

12-21-2007, 06:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
Silent Hunter Contributor Join Date: 08-09-07 Location: London, UK Posts: 518 Country:	Yes, they did, Canuck. Two made ace.

12-24-2007, 06:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
Ucar *Military Professional* Join Date: 06-19-07 Posts: 292 Country:	Turkish Air Force allows women to fly in combat capable squadrons.

01-16-2008, 09:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
Khan_Han Banished Join Date: 11-16-07 Location: New South Wales Posts: 205 Country:	In fact, the Worlds First Female Combat pilot is from Turkey. She was Mustafa Kemal Ataturks adopted daughter, Sabiha Gökçen. See Sabiha GÃ¶kÃ§en - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01-16-2008, 23:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Expat Canuck Homesick Fool *Military Professional* Join Date: 05-17-05 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,014 Country:	I'll believe that when you find something credible to post buddy. I'll go write up an article about how in reality I was the first to the moon and link it here....... Also did you not read the Russian post? That is from world war two and a couple made ace.

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