TopHatter

RustyBattleship wanted me to post this as response to those who think that huge chunks of wreckage should have remained from the plane the crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001

Jimmy

I absolutely love that video. I used to have it on my hard drive, too.

Feanor

Do you have footage of what's left afterwards? This vid. stops right after the explosion that obscures everything.

Gun Grape

You can get it at

Sandia National Labs: News Room: Resources: Video Gallery

if you lost the original

Dectilion

i love how the tips of the wings are a bit wider than the concrete block, and keep going straight forward after the hit

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TopHatter

As Dectilion said, the wing tips. That's what was left afterwards.

The rest of that Phantom was literally dust and debris probably no bigger than a baseball.

Which is what tends to happen to aircraft when they smack into something sufficiently hard enough (like a thick concrete wall) at a sufficiently high enough speed.

They turn into a smear on the pavement, like this DC-8 did in Sacramento

Jimmy

Awesome, thanks! They actually had one that was a lot better than my copy, which had some guy narrating and only showed 2 or 3 camera angles.

smilingassassin

If you watch the video closly you can see one camera is mounted on top of the concrete block and continues fliming as the tail section of the plane crashes into the block.

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Tin Man

Great video!
I get tired of explaining to people WHY there were no huge chunks of flight 93 left after it hit the Pentagon. Some people just don`t get it.
People have pointed to other crash sites and said "Look, there are the engines and other parts, where were they from flight 93?".

My response is always this, the amount of large pieces of wreckage depends on velocity at impact, angle of impact, physical integrity of the structure before impact and the characteristics of the medium the plane hits, ie ground, concrete, wooded area, etc..And fire.
There is no Holy Grail, no single example of what a crash scene is "supposed" to look like after a plane goes down.

Flight 93 didn`t vaporize, it rather disintegrated into fist sized pieces. That F-4 was doing 500mph, with no offset angle into a piece of concrete designed to take the impact. The Pentagon, although maybe reinforced, is NOT a nuclear pile shield! If it was, we could have expected similar results as in the F-4 test, maybe....We didn`t see wreckage because not many photos` have been released. It isn`t good for confidence when the seat of military power in the West is broken up on camera.

I saw a great quote once on the Pentagon terrorist attack..."It`s called America the beautiful because we always pick up our litter before we take a photograph".

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Jimmy

Through sheer luck, the Pentagon was actually undergoing a massive renovation to reinforce the walls. The plane actually hit the first and only side that was done.

There are a few pictures floating around of what little debris there was. I remember seeing a landing gear or wheel, and maybe part of an engine.

glyn

[quote=Gun Grape;433192]You can get it at

Sandia National Labs: News Room: Resources: Video Gallery

The outdoor museum at Sandia is well worth a visit.

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TopHatter

Yep, on the nose.

Tin Man

Yep, I have seen those pictures before. I would expect that the largest debris chunks would be landing gear sections (Titanium forgings) and engine components.
The first picture was the subject of "conspiracy theorists". They described the component as a generator, one that was never fitted to the type of aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon. Well, a quick look at any surviving manufacturers I.D.plates would sort that out...also bear in mind that non-standard uprated gear is sometimes fitted if it is rated and cleared, non-OEM stuff.

highsea

It's actually a piece of the first compressor stage of the RR engine.

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