TopHatter

He's been dealt with already. Let's everybody get back to the subject please.

zraver

I am guessing sometime between 1986 and 1988 it was 20 years so time line is kinda fuzzy.

it dodnt crush US ego's it crushed the egos of those of us in Everett Washinton home of the formerly biggest airplane the 747.

I've seen a B-2 in flight at an airshow, a B-29 (Fifi) flying to an airshow, B-47's on statid display, and a B-1B on gorund display at an airshow but the single most awesome experiance happened in 1990 standing on top of Uptannem Ridge on the Yakima Firing Center. A B-52 assigned to SAC (black painted belly) out of Cheynne Wy (I am guessing) did a nuclear penetration run right over the top of our heads. One minute peaceful day then a shadow went over head followed shortly by the roar of the engines. Becuase we were on top of the ridge we got to watch it decend into the valley so that we were looking down at a B-52 s it rapidly flew away. The terrain following was awesome the plane was moving like lightning but at the same time just seemed to float.

I also got to watch A-6 and EA-6 run the North Cascades Roller Coaster and in my time in the Army saw A-6, F-16, and A-10's practice their craft. Although the most revealing flight I ever saw was a flight of AH-64 at Ft Hood that flew over head while me and my GF got busy in the bed of my Toyota out near the lake (Baylor??)

If you can't keep your cool he won't be the only one to doubt it.

hrmmmm

S-300PMU linked to a Kolchuga ESM system is better than the Patriot block III

TorM1 is the best point defnese SAM in the world

S-400 is likely to be the best SAM ever

SU-30MKI and MKK are superior in every regard to a standard F-15C (non AESA)

SU-34 is a very capable attack craft offerign far more bang for the buck than an F-15E

The problems of the VVS were not the men or the equipment, but the doctrine force don them by the society they lived in (USSR) or the budget they had to deal with (Yeltsin era Russa)

And finally just becuase it needs to be said I don't care if your the next Joachim Marseille, your a noob, Entropy has hundreds of posts. You on the other hand are a noob. He asks intelligent questions, is generally respectful, is not overly jingositic: you could use a dose in all three areas. Som eof your base assumptions are so far off the mark as to seem childish.

entropy

Zraver,

You guys got interesting airshows over there!
When I lived in Murmansk (Kola Peninsula, near Norway) we had rather small ones, with only some MiGs and the occasional Rook. But once, at the 50 years of victory parade (9th of May 1995) we saw decent aerobatics, as well as a MiG-25! The Foxbat had huge engines and flew really fast. The commentator said that it was doing mach 3. I doubt it did, but it surely was fast!
As for Harriers, they seem nice. STOL Yaks are ugly.

And about the Su-34: it is really one of the most impressive aircraft I've read about. Videos I've seen tell me that it is maneauverable enough to dogfight. How would it fare against, say, a Chengdu J-7 patrol?
Also, how relieving to the crew is the personal space with kitchen and toilet they got there? It surprises me that the Su designers have given that much internal volume to crew comfort.
In the Soviet era, the space would be used to prolong the bomb bay or extra fuel. Even big Soviet airplanes, like the Tu-22 Blinder, had awkward crew compartiments, with the Blinder not having cushions on the seats!

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omon

i was at the air show earlyer this year long island air show
saw a b1, very impresive, almost silent, until it passes you, than, cover you ears, but what impressed me most was a small red biplane, that did stunts, that nither f22, nor any russian jet can do, sure it has 0 combat capabuility, but boy, it looked awesome.

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Tronic

Though America does the same. Sells its weapons to dictator regimes and rouge states all over the world; it is a global market and in this regard I don't believe any of the major international arms sellers hold any sort of moral superiority over the other.

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Tronic

I'm not too sure about the MKK... but the MKM is a better comparison...

Scrapdog

I don't disagree, but my post was specifically in light to why I don't regard Russian fighter pilots with solidarity.

Tronic

Alright, though I still fail to see what the Russian pilots have to do with that nation's international arms policy.

zraver

Well growing up in the Seattle Metroplex meant good airshows back in the day. A couple of different places I lived where within walking distance of the Everett plant where they make the 747. I've seen the Blue Angels, Thunder Birds, and Snow Birds and just about every modern combat airplane flown by the US till the F-22. I don't know if its still there, but the little airfeild in Arlington even had an F-86F that was beign restored and some little Yugoslav light attack jet owned by a group of deputy sheriffs.

In the 6th grade of so I dreamed of being a pilot, but I have an inner ear problem and get vertigo to easy. So when I got older and joined the Military it was off to the army where I found my true love- tanks.

I am sure the pilots here can attest to some sublime moment when it all clicked and they said F yeah this is awesome. Tanks do that for me, there is just something almost musical in the whine of that big turbine or continental deisel.

Tronic,

is the MKM the new Malay version thats the one I was thinking of.

gunnut

You know they probabaly looked through the thermal imager and saw everything...

Have you guys checked to see if you are featured on youtube or some other video sharing site?

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Jimmy

There actually IS a thermal imaged video like that from Iraq. A couple in a convertible.

There's another one with a guy and a goat or sheep (cant remember). Apparently this was a regular occurrence in this small town...the narration is absolutely HILARIOUS.

Tronic

Yup, thats the one.

Garry

Hei Scrapdog, even a professional pilot can be a moron and fool. You are one of them!

entropy

You don't get it!

Scrapdog, being a Most Noble F-22 pilot of the US of A, is one of the few who protects the world from the Russian Pilot Conspiracy.
The Russian Pilot Conspiracy, better known as Freepilotry, is an ancient fraternal organization that has gained power deep into the roots of Russian and even international society. The origins are unknown, but it is said that it dates back to the pilots who flew the flying carpet for Aladdin. Another story suggests that they are offspring of the pilot who flew the Flying Dutchman.

The Freepilots have their men in about every niche of the Russian society, as well as in the entire Old World. Rumor says that when the Freepilots were compromized in Western Europe, they had to go undercover as stonemasons. This explains the different naming of the organization in the West.

The activities of the Freepilots range from bank machinations to the sinking of the Atlantis with a Fairley Swordfish torpedo bomber. In 1933, they attempted to help a fellow Freepilot in power in Germany. While unable to do so, they made this particularly fat member of their society the chief of aviation by promoting the rule of Adolf Hitler.

Currently, this most evil organization is trying to gain world supremacy by selling us their cheap junk MiG and Su airplanes. By selling their crap cheaply to all world nations, they hope to dominate the world. China and India have already fallen victim. Only the F-22 can save us.

The last news say that the Freepilots, who have sold their soul to the Devil for the capacity to carry drop tanks, have started using mind control tricks. One of them, the Cobra, is known for hypnotizing the entire crowd of an air show. After seeing the Cobra, the crowd becomes zombified and demands that their government will purchase the Su crap. India has already fell for it. That is how the MKI was born.

It is even rumored that the Roswell UFO was a freepilot flying a prototype Mig-15 on a suicide mission in the US!

These vile abominations of men, are a disgrace to every honest pilot on Earth. They are most certainly a bunch of clowns, and only Most Noble US Air Force Pilots (being the direct descendants of Richard Lionheart) with their blessed F-22 can stop them!

entropy

Yugoslav attack jet? A modified trained that is? Or something indigenous?

Both ways are closed for me, I stutter, and however it is rather light and does not impair my daily life, the merchant fleet medical comission refused me on ground of that. I can understand them, since they can't risk anything because of a crew member's failure to quickly transmit coordinates.
I would actually prefer being a tanker to being a jet pilot, but there is the inability to yell fire commands fast enough on the intercom.

So I went for the humble civil profession of engineering.