GGTharos

A Mi-8 ... I think it is the same incident I refer to. They picked it up on the A2A radar sweep 50nm out, saw it was on the ground, slaved the FLIR pod to radar target (the radar never left A2A mode!) and they dropped a bomb on it once they could positively ID it, as I recall.

Tin Man

Yes, it was a Mudhen, 1000 pounder as well, OUCH! I mean, what rotten luck sitting in that Helicopter. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Hey, if it lifted off the ground even an inch, it would have been chalked up as an air to air kill!

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Ucar

Back to WW II, when Heinz Knocke invented the technique of lobbing bombs on enemy bomber formations. No wonder they say history is a reoccurence

entropy

It is meant for airshows, merely to show the capability of the airframe and engines. Then it is also a product of not using fly-by-wire, as the computers would not allow the pilots to drive the airframe to the fullest. The maneauver has no combat use, and no one claims it has.

Please watch your words. Masturbation, even patriotic one, is best done in private. You are an insult to real American patriots.

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entropy

Are JDAM nible enough to track a slow moving helicopter or an airplane taking off/landing? What are their turn radia?

Jimmy

With a JDAM, you enter in the coordinates you want it to hit, and it flies to that point. It doesnt "lock on" to a target or anything like that. It just flies/falls to a certain point in space.

zraver

When I was in my mid teens Im went to an airshow that had an SU-27 do a cobra manuver and we all ood and ahhed and the Russians (standing in formation in front of a massive Anotov Cargo plane were just beaming, basking in the American publics adoration.

The the USAF got its turn and an F-16 came over the feild pulled straight up went to burner and went through the floor of the clouds in the blink of an eye. After the 16 got a done an F-15 pointed almsot straight up walked down runway with almost no forward speed as fighters go.

The announcer couldn't resist getting a rib in on the Russians and pointed out that US fighters don't need to do a cobra becuase they don't run out of power and can break the sound barrier in the vertical.

The Su-27 was nice, so was the F-15 and the B-1B that was roped off, and if you could ge tpast the ear splitting roar the Harrier was awesome, but that Russian cargo plane was an ego crusher. The airshow was at Payne Feild in Everret Washington home of the 747 and seeing our pride and joy go from jumbo to merely big hurt.

wabpilot

I am going ask that a moderator immediately strike your offensive post and suspend your posting privileges. This type of attack is uncalled for and immature.

entropy

WABpilot,

I understand your eagerness to defend a fellow pilot. If what I said is considered inappropriate, I agree and take it back. But then I wish the same to happen with

I know a man who flew Frogfoot above Afghanistan and who remained in the VVS for a couple of years afterwards. Talking with him taught me a few things that I thought a F-22 pilot should understand.

A fighter pilot, regardless of nationality, is a brave man who flies fast and unsafe aircraft for the sake of his country. VVS pilots, unlike their American counterparts, are paid dirt and treated like dirt by the government. Their dedication to their air force and country is solely supported by enthousiasm, and men who keep pushing their underfueled, poorly maintained MiGs and Sus to the limits to at least somehow compensate for obsolete electronics, are in no way a "bunch of clowns".
Neither are the aerospace engineers at the design companies who with tiny budgets try to keep their country's airfleet capable to keep up with world standards at least by giving it a superior aerodynamics.
I thought a pilot who gets to fly a F-22 (if he really does!) understands this thing and has solidarity for his collegues across the world. Apparently he does not, but instead he behaves like a 16 year old rich kid with a new car who laughs at others whose daddy is not rich enough to buy them one.

Best Regards

entropy

When was that? I had no idea they allowed Soviet pilots to crush US egoes at US airshows.
Sound barrier in the vertical? Is it true? My newly acquired first year engineering attest somehow tells me it's not.
I always wanted to see a strategic bomber, such as a Tu-22M or a B-1. Are they as astonishing as they seem?

TopHatter

Feel free to watch your own words.

Scrapdog, I know that many of us have a less than stellar opinion of another country's military equipment, but do try to be a bit more creative, or at least a bit more subtle, in your criticism

Yes, at the very least, the F-15 Eagle can stand on it's tail and punch through Mach 1

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gf0012-aust

Its a way point weapon. if you want to change to tracking and event induced turning, then you need to change the seeker.

gunnut

Yes they are.

I had the fortune to attend the last air show at El Toro Marine Corp Air Station before it was closed. The military pulled out all of their good stuff because it was the last show.

Sheer size wise, they aren't as big as the giant transports like the C-5 (it was at the show) or the An-124 (not at the show, no Russian craft at this particular show). But it was a totally different feeling to stand under the open bomb bay and see all the empty bomb racks. I saw the B-52, the B-1, and the B-17, all on static display.

A B-2 made 2 passes over the show. It was one of the most amazing thing ever. It made no sound. It didn't look like a plane at all as it approached. I can see how people will have trouble IDing this plane even with eye balls.

The funniest performance was by a Harrier. The pilot did all the routine take off, hover, and landing. At the end, as it hovered, the pilot bowed with the plane. Harrier is one of the masterpieces of aviation technology. Those damn brits succeeded where no one else had, or since.

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Scrapdog

Alright dude, I'm sorry - this I can't stand for. 1. I am a "real" American pilot. I've been serving my country for just over 8 years now with 1100 hours of fighter time (F-15, F-16, F-22). How long have you served yours? Are you a "real" pilot yourself? Please don't answer - those were rhetorical questions. 2. You're seriously upset because I said Russian clowns? Get over yourself. I've called them clowns in the past and I'll continue. I know they've called US fighter pilots the same (or worse) and will continue as well. The way they run their country as well as their military is pretty clownish in my opinion. I guess you see it differently, however a country where a fighter pilot has to drive a cab on the side to earn some money to pay bills is pretty piss poor in my opinion (I don't care if that guy flew a Su-25 in Afghanistan or a Mig-29 over Red Square). 3. As far as the masturbation quip...well, I don't even get it. I guess you're trying to be funny and insult me...but it does neither. It makes you look like the buffoon.

Now, for the bottom line - please tell me how I'm "insulting" American pilots when I say the cobra is a stupid manuever done by Russian clowns. Guess what...the F-22 can do the cobra as well (and we practice that in our AHC rides) with the ability to generate up to 60 degrees of AOA. Doesn't make it any less worthless than just a pure airshow manuever.

Sorry folks, had to stand up for myself in light of this peon. Back to the original thread...

Scrapdog

Are you seriously calling me out that I don't fly the F-22 and that I'm lying? Please don't go down that route....you will be sorely mistaken. By the way, I don't remember starting these insults, however I'll be happy to end them. If you really want to challenge my authenticity - by all means, go right ahead. For the record - when a country like Russia sells their less than stellar fighters and SAM's to rogue and communist nations like China, N. Korea, Syria, etc that present a clear and present danger to the US and her allies...all solidarity is lost.