Jaguar thunder rips US shield

**~~Mr_Aryan~~** · 18 Jan 05,, 12:07

Originally Posted by Bluesman

One of the most foolish statements you've ever heard in your LIFE? You need to get out more, then.

No, I stand by it: United States airpower cannot be prevented by any other power from striking anywhere on the planet whenever it chooses to. Conversely, no adversary can be confident of ANY sort of successful aerial mission against US airpower, and that includes airlift, recon, air superiority, whatever you care to name. Individual successes may be possible; a successful air war is NOT, and would be a disaster for our enemy (or whichever combination of enemies).

.....五….四….三….二…...一…...炸开!!! BAROOOOM!!!

Whoops……tiny little North Korea just fired 3 of their three-stage Taepo Dong II ICBMs at Alaska, California and Hawaii…

No one ever comes CLOSE, they just fire from AFAR

**~~Mr_Aryan~~** · 18 Jan 05,, 12:09

No see no one’s gonna attack America, everyone loves America. The whole world loves and respects Americans, everyone loves Hollywood, loves MTV, burgers, popcorn, Coca-cola

the works….. And if any small pipsqueak enemy decides to harm the US in any way the whole world would unite with America and finish them off

. But the US is certainly not invincible…

**Tronic** · 18 Jan 05,, 19:51

well said comrade, well said... but i think you just got yourself banned... lol

**jgetti** · 18 Jan 05,, 21:47

Originally Posted by Mr_Aryan

"Nobody else comes close". That’s exactly what the USAF F-15 pilots learnt when InAF Su-30s scored BVR kills on them from afar during Cope India 2004

As has been stated numerous times elsewhere on this forum, the F-15 didn't lose anything but a simulation in a cooperative flyoff,, NOT a competition of capability. F-15's were restricted not to use BVR AMRAAM's, and thus were not capable of making a BVR shot that IAF had the luxury of. If you want to go running your mouth get your facts straight first.

**jgetti** · 18 Jan 05,, 21:50

Originally Posted by Mr_Aryan

.....五….四….三….二…...一…...炸开!!! BAROOOOM!!!

Whoops……tiny little North Korea just fired 3 of their three-stage Taepo Dong II ICBMs at Alaska, California and Hawaii…

No one ever comes CLOSE, they just fire from AFAR

And when bottom feeding jacks such as yourself get an ICBM crammed up your rear, who will you be whining to but america. This forum is for people who want to have an intelligent conversation. If you just want to run your mouth like a fool then leave.

**Tronic** · 19 Jan 05,, 00:25

actually, if a country was to nuke america, they'd probably know that they'd get annihalated but if the leader was wakko enough, like people in the middle east, they wouldn't really care if they got blown to smithereens.

**Franco Lolan** · 21 Jan 05,, 00:57

In the 4'th QTR 2004 Code One Lockheed Martin magazine, it briefly mentioned the exercise, but for the reasoin thst IAF raped, they did not expound on results.

**Tronic** · 21 Jan 05,, 03:39

lol, yeah... I'm having trouble getting hold of results from the Alaskan exercise aswell...

**sw55** · 24 Jan 05,, 13:44

Originally Posted by Tronic

Michael Moore speaks the truth and that has hurt a lot of Americans... on the other hand it has also given the smart Americans to take that information to heart. I mean, i can understand why you and many other think he lied. The thing is that you would rather like some other country getting criticized than yourselves. Well... maybe I was wrong... there are some Americans in their who have survived the massive invasion of the brainwashing media.

I love it when people from other countries, even as close physically and culturally as Canada, try to make political analysis of the US. I guess I won't qualify as one of your "smart Americans", so I will just refer you to several other "documentaries" such as FarenHYPE 911, Celcius 41.11, Unfairenheit 9/11 The lies of Michael Moore, and others, but you can start here:

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

I have seen Moor's movies, but I bet you won't even read the articles...

**Tronic** · 24 Jan 05,, 16:37

lol, blah blah blah, There will always be two opposing sides on this issue and anyway the topic isn't about fahrenheit 9/11, it's about COPE THUNDER...

**indianbomb** · 25 Jan 05,, 10:51

How can you expect any thing on the Alsaska exercise?? Noboday likes to announce that they got staffed twice in a row.

**sw55** · 25 Jan 05,, 15:00

Originally Posted by indianbomb

How can you expect any thing on the Alsaska exercise?? Noboday likes to announce that they got staffed twice in a row.

If they did, then I would bet it won't happen again.
The US has too much reasources in it's favor to remain at any disadvantage.

**alexis** · 10 Feb 05,, 19:41

Originally Posted by sw55

If they did, then I would bet it won't happen again.
The US has too much reasources in it's favor to remain at any disadvantage.

You are right on that..But remember no one is invincible in an engagement if not a war. Sure US can win any war(no nukes) but not every battle. jags are good planes and flown by good pilots; So its not a mistery that they evaded US fighters and radars. If a plane cant do that atleast sometimes what is the use of having it?
Also AWACS were not used which means that it was hard to spot jags which have excellent performance in low altitudes..it was a morale boosting thing for IAF and an eye opener for US that it is good but not every time..Also remember that Canadian/australian subs managing to "sink" US a/c carriers in exercises..Does that mean US is inferior to them.? No ....It means that US will have to accept risks of losing ships when it fights a war.

**FlyingCaddy** · 13 Feb 05,, 22:20

Originally Posted by Tronic

ok well, the point is that the Chinese were able to push back the Americans all the way to Pusan.

Dude do me a favor go home and open up this thing called a history book, The Pusan box occured when the North Koreans drove the South Korean to Pusan. Then the UN interviened on US recommendation, ironically the USSR remained quiet, then MacArthur realized he needed a break out, open curtains on Inchon. The UN forces marched as for North as the Yalu, however, Mao wared if the Un crossed the 38th parallel he and his people would not stand idle. So the Un reaches the Yalu at several point. Then 300K Chinese "volenteers" rush over the border and the Un forces in such a numerical disadvantage are forced to withdraw. Pushed slightly south of Seoul, a final Un push leads to a no man's land across the 38th Parallel. So a stalemate arises and the sides finally make an armistace.
AS an aside the US was constricted by the rules of engagement since Migs had bases in China and out of the Zone of engagement.
I will conceed the US is not imvinvible, when a nation believes that story they are one step short of collapse, but I feel at this instant when it comes to combined arms, the US can play the game better than most.