Jaguar thunder rips US shield

**Tronic** · 17 Jan 05,, 17:43

hmm... and in response to OoE... I agree with you, maybe Canada did make SOME mistakes but atleast we didn't have ~50% opposition in the Kosovo War... the Kosovo War was fought by NATO, not only Canada, correct me if i'm wrong.

Also, women got their right to vote in the early 20th century with those five women fighting for their right or sumthin, (don't know too much about Canadian History).

**Officer of Engineers** · 17 Jan 05,, 17:46

Originally Posted by Tronic

IAirpower kept the US from being overwhelmed by 300,000 Chinese troops... actually the American troops WERE overwhelemd by Chinese troops, air power or not. It was the counter attach led my General McArthur I believe which basically re-drew the lines of Korea as they were in the start of the war.

The Americans were not overwhelmed. The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force evac by sea and the 8th Army retreated in good order.

**Tronic** · 17 Jan 05,, 17:48

ok well, the point is that the Chinese were able to push back the Americans all the way to Pusan.

**Officer of Engineers** · 17 Jan 05,, 18:50

No, not to Pusan. The furthest the Chinese got was Kapyong where they were stopped by the 2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry.

**MIKEMUN** · 17 Jan 05,, 18:52

Originally Posted by Tronic

ok well, the point is that the Chinese were able to push back the Americans all the way to Pusan.

Are you arguing for argumen't's sake or what? When you are outnumbered it usually happens that you lose..And look at the list of countries who fought in the Korean war,will you? True the US provided the backbone but there were also many nations...

**sw55** · 17 Jan 05,, 20:24

Originally Posted by Tronic

IAF taking out USAF??? who said that???

Fahrenheit 9/11 is a propaganda... why you don't like facin the truth???

Airpower kept the US from being overwhelmed by 300,000 Chinese troops... actually the American troops WERE overwhelemd by Chinese troops, air power or not. It was the counter attach led my General McArthur I believe which basically re-drew the lines of Korea as they were in the start of the war.

The truth can be elusive, even in the US where you can speak your mind without fear of prosecution, unlike many countries. And maybe more-so.

The claims that the US lost or was on the losing side of the air war is just not right. Korea was a place where the US was massively outnumbered on land, and used airpower to even the score. If there was such a losing battle by the US then how did the US keep from being pushed into the sea? You see your arguement just falls apart here.
Michael Moore is a left wing extremist, and if you are not from this country you might be excused for your ignorance but if you just look at the link I posted above you will see how absolutely wrong he is and every point he tries to make in his movie. However if you go into the arguement wanting to find fault with the US and it's actions in Iraq then you will find an excuse not to see the truth here as well.

And one other thing to anyone holding on to some sort of idea of Russian nuclear superiority... You are dreaming. The US had nuclear superiority first, and wouldn't surrender it. At best the USSR had parity, but today, according to the bullitan of nuclear scientists, it is at best Russian parity in numbers, and actual US numbers are slightly larger, and in quality the US has it hands down.
So do you really think the US is inferior in as many ways as so many on this board seem to wish?????

**Tronic** · 17 Jan 05,, 20:34

Originally Posted by sw55

The truth can be elusive, even in the US where you can speak your mind without fear of prosecution, unlike many countries. And maybe more-so.

The claims that the US lost or was on the losing side of the air war is just not right. Korea was a place where the US was massively outnumbered on land, and used airpower to even the score. If there was such a losing battle by the US then how did the US keep from being pushed into the sea? You see your arguement just falls apart here.
Michael Moore is a left wing extremist, and if you are not from this country you might be excused for your ignorance but if you just look at the link I posted above you will see how absolutely wrong he is and every point he tries to make in his movie. However if you go into the arguement wanting to find fault with the US and it's actions in Iraq then you will find an excuse not to see the truth here as well.

And one other thing to anyone holding on to some sort of idea of Russian nuclear superiority... You are dreaming. The US had nuclear superiority first, and wouldn't surrender it. At best the USSR had parity, but today, according to the bullitan of nuclear scientists, it is at best Russian parity in numbers, and actual US numbers are slightly larger, and in quality the US has it hands down.
So do you really think the US is inferior in as many ways as so many on this board seem to wish?????

Michael Moore speaks the truth and that has hurt a lot of Americans... on the other hand it has also given the smart Americans to take that information to heart. I mean, i can understand why you and many other think he lied. The thing is that you would rather like some other country getting criticized than yourselves. Well... maybe I was wrong... there are some Americans in their who have survived the massive invasion of the brainwashing media.

**Bill** · 17 Jan 05,, 21:16

"Taking into account the fact that USAF will likely be attacking in most of engagements, other military forces can at least go head to head with USAF if not defeat it."

And then you woke up...

**Bill** · 17 Jan 05,, 21:18

"HAHAHA!!! thats exaactly what I expected from the likes of you... proves my point, you're just a kid who brags and brags and brags... but... really knows sh*t..."

That's pretty funny, cause when i called SOCOM and asked for Sgt. Bluesman on the phone, he did not sound like a kid...

In case you're totally clueless Tronic, SOCOM means US Special Operations Command. That's where Bluesman works.

**Bill** · 17 Jan 05,, 21:19

"Michael Moore speaks the truth and that has hurt a lot of Americans... on the other hand it has also given the smart Americans to take that information to heart. I mean, i can understand why you and many other think he lied. The thing is that you would rather like some other country getting criticized than yourselves. Well... maybe I was wrong... there are some Americans in their who have survived the massive invasion of the brainwashing media."

Apparently you're not one of them..

So sad.

**jgetti** · 17 Jan 05,, 22:08

Originally Posted by Tronic

Michael Moore speaks the truth and that has hurt a lot of Americans... on the other hand it has also given the smart Americans to take that information to heart. I mean, i can understand why you and many other think he lied. The thing is that you would rather like some other country getting criticized than yourselves. Well... maybe I was wrong... there are some Americans in their who have survived the massive invasion of the brainwashing media.

The brainwashing media are hard core liberals just like Michael Moore. There's lots of room to criticize America,, we criticize ourselves all the time, and we do criticize our government for mistakes that could have prevented 9/11. Michael Moore, however, is no posterboy for any intelligent arguement. He's just another hard core liberal fanatic who tries to cram his delusions of fact down everyone elses throat. The guy could suck start a Harley.

**Bluesman** · 17 Jan 05,, 22:22

This one's FUN, man! I'm not putting this yutz on my IGNORE list, because some of the stuff he posts is just too dam' funny for parody. [giggle]

Tronic, my lad, DO NOT get discouraged. You keep postin' ya hear? [snort]

Hey, look for my new thread on why rolling-eyed lefties seem to come from the ranks of students...I think you may be able to contribute something to the discussion from first-hand knowledge. [GUFFAW!

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**alton987** · 17 Jan 05,, 23:11

Canada...
Biting the hand that feeds it.

How does Canada afford to give health care to all of its citizen and run its so called "perfect" country? Oh yeah, by being the neighbor to the worlds greatest economy.

Don't mistake me I like most Canadians but the Hate-America crowd really Pisses me off. I'm not saying Canada wouldn't be a country without the US. But if you take the US out of the picture Canada would not be 1/3 the country/economy it is today.

And I love how all the 2nd rate powers questions the U.S.'s judgments. "Canada Foreign policy is clear and we don't drop bombs on people just food". Exactly neither Canada nor do most countries have to worry about the World Wide impact of their decision. Canada is cutting off trade to "Blank", OK who cares, but when the US cuts off trade its effects everyone greatly. If you have never walked the walked as a World Power than don't talk the talk. In the states we call that “Monday Morning Quarterbacking"

At least the US Government has deiced to make stand on certain issues. It seems the only stand that other governments make is to be Against any stand the US makes.

Has the US made mistakes yes lots? But we normally own up to them in the end.

Oh and my comment about the USAF using Cannons only in the India Exercise in Alaska was a joke. I was referring to the fact that in the Exercise in the Indian Ocean the USAF was heavily restricted not able to use BVR weapons and all kinds other unrealistic scenarios. And I'm sure the same was in Alaska.

While you’re writing your reply I will be thinking of all of those World Changing Decisions Canada has made over the years that has affected the US…

Oh I’m DONE.

Sorry Canada I really like you just not this guy…

**sw55** · 17 Jan 05,, 23:15

IMHO, Michael Moore and his movie are proof that people can be brainwashed, although it takes one of weak mind and no will to challenge or resist what they are told. It would seem that the expertise of the communsists and the cold war in their propaganda has not been lost on the lefties. You have to admit, they are good! If the American people were any more stupid Kerry would be president.