Archer

It can equate, if it has more power output, better gain etc etc. The F-14s AWG-9 had a slotted array, so what does SA have to do with (inferior) range?

Actual ranges need to be tempered with the modes they are on, for both types. The EF may well have achieved 185 Km against a 5 Sq Mtr fighter. Thats very creditable, and it may even do more.

Regarding the MKI, I would advise against speculation on a fighter that the IAF may actually take to war.

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uss

it possibly could, but its a lot smaller and that makes me wonder how it can have a greater power output than the MKI Bars. To light up something like that they'd need some major cooling mechanism - where is the space to do all that?
that would truly be an achievement.

Right, i'll just shut up now.

USS.

uss

Riight - 18 miles is close to 60km++
Whats the relevance here? they are not even manufactured by the same company Also, in general, I'd put the difference between performance characteristics of PESAs and AESAs a lot closer than slotted arrays and AESA/PESA.
You wish and desperately hope; but with TVC, you never know.
Said tiffy expects meteor by 2012, said r77 is expected by 2010. Again, the bias is getting a little old - russian = poor, western european = better, american = best.
And what conclusion does a biased/prejudiced analysis lead to?
Riiiight, some more "my daddy bigger than yours stuff", esp. since the MKI uses a whole bunch of french/israeli/indian avionics related items. Moreover, it wouldn't matter if russian aren't as good so long as they meet the end goal.

USS.

glyn

[quote=uss;388445]Riight - 18 miles is close to 60km++

I don't think so. Do your sums and you will see.

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VarSity

Im starting to dislike the Typhoon. I seem to hear almost constant negatives. Wasnt it designed to combat these Russian built fighters? Shouldnt it be doing some damage?!

Oi George, let us have some F22;s?

Thanks George!

Tronic

You have to think about potential rivals in a real life scenario. I don't think there is any potential foe which the Typhoons are incompetent against. And the MKI is one of its kind in the Super Flanker series, no other country has it; and I think the closest Flanker which comes to the MKI is the Malaysian one, the MKM and even that does not compare well with the MKI in terms of avionics. And moreover, Malaysia has (or will be getting soon) only 18 of these birds.

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dave angel

the only people slagging Typhhon as an aircraft are, unsurprisingly, those who just happen to be flogging a competitor to it...

you can make an arguement that 270-odd Mach 2+ fighters aren't quite what the RAF needs when it's AT, CAS and SH fleets are operating at full-tilt and are falling apart, but that has very little to do with Typhoons capabilities as a high-end fighter/swing-role aircraft.

the USAF appears to think that the only aircraft that Typhoon won't remove from the sky in large numbers is the F-22, and as they are the one power that isn't flogging a Typhoon competitor i'm reasonably happy with their impartiality.

you might also - particularly given the USAF's assesment of Typhoons A2A capabilities - ask yourself about the likelyhood of RAF landbased aircraft being involved in major air combat without the USAF's F-22's in close attendance at any stage in the next 40 years. of course should you wish to piss away the defence budget on $200m a pop A/C that are utterly surplus to our needs purely so that we can look 'cool' then go ahead...

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Tronic

Actually, the Super Hornets are actually competing against the Typhoons for the Indian MRCA contract.

Tronic

some pics from Waddington...

Tronic

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uss

[quote=glyn;388453]How? 1mile = 1.6kms So, 18 miles = 28.8 km

USS.

VarSity

^think glyn missed that you were being sarky USS.

Oh well looks like I was wrong again. Typhoon is sexy, roll on the Brirish Empire

Admit it tho, its not pritty is it?! And whats this about it not having the right missiles? Thats shocking!

dave angel

its not nearly as graceful as the Sukhoi, but thats not what its for.

both Typhoons current radar and the AMRAAM are, if not stand-ins, then not the radar/weapon that Typhhon was built for, Meteor BVRAAM and the AESA will take Typhoon to a level that it doesn't have at the mo. but lets not suggest that its some Heath-Robinson contraption that is of no use to man nor beast.

there is not one potential adversary that is flying anying that can touch Typhoon in an A2A context, no one in the ME, no one in the FE, no one in Africa, no one in South America. we are somewhat unlikely to go to war with the US and its F-22, and somewhat unlikely to go to war with India and its MKI. the Suadis might buy Typhoon, but everyone knows they can't maintain it without western contractors - and even if they could everyone also knows that they couldn't fight a sophisticated and complex air war, period.

Typhoon, even without AESA and Meteor, is more than a match for any realistic potential opponant, and thats good enough.

uss

Well put; I agree completely. although there is the remote chance that Indian MKIs might wind up facing Saudi Typhoons via Pakistan. So, the experience gained via the Indradhanush series is invaluable.

Regards,
USS.

glyn

[quote=uss;388595][quote=glyn;388453]

How? 1mile = 1.6kms So, 18 miles = 28.8 km

You don't see the difference between 28.8km and 60km++ ? I bet your bank manager loves you.