Thread: Plaaf

JH7 can barely take off.

Q5 is a modified MiG-19, or J6, with a small bomb load.

And if they get just 20% off the ground in an offensive surge, who is in a position to stop them?

You dont consider that a threat?

Well given the outdated-ness of those aircraft, any decent A screen would shred the Chinese airforce. The unfortunate truth happens to be that the U.S. does not truly have an integrated AA screen which is why the question even arises.

Until they modernize that airforce, or increase size by alot, its worthless, given it has to provide cover for a huge land army.

Originally Posted by Jimmy

And if they get just 20% off the ground in an offensive surge, who is in a position to stop them?

Anybody who's awake?

Originally Posted by Jimmy

And if they get just 20% off the ground in an offensive surge, who is in a position to stop them?

You dont consider that a threat?

I would consider that a "turkey shoot" for the USAF. Quite possibly for the Taiwanese Air Force also.

Originally Posted by texasjohn

I would consider that a "turkey shoot" for the USAF. Quite possibly for the Taiwanese Air Force also.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Anybody who's awake?

Lets say you had some pretty good intel that something big was going down in the A2A arena. So you put up a hefty DCA CAP...lets say 12 F-15Cs. That's a big move right there. Now lets say China's first wave will be primarily J7s and J8s. Sticking to the 1/5 rule we're using here, that's 160 planes.

How many missiles do you have? Ooooh, yeah...there could be a few problems here. You'd basically have to launch an entire squadron and pray for 100% pK to even knock out the fodder in the first waves. Then you've got the Flankers and the rest of the modernized PLAAF to contend with. Unless you really want to buy the merge on a MASSIVE scale so you can try to save your BVR shots for their more capable aircraft.



Granted, a strike that size is not exactly likely (or probably even possible), but you dont plan for what you want to happen, you plan for what COULD happen.

Whoaaaaa!!!! Jimmy, the biggest exercise I've seen the PLAAF acheived was 40 planes.

Isn't there also the issue of concentrating so many planes in a small theater as not feasible?

China has other border concerns to worry about. PLAAF simply cannot put that many assets in a small region without compromising other parts of the borders or even political stability.

Originally Posted by FiRepower

What do you guys think could PLAAF be a threat to us , cuz i doubt it.

In truth, the Su-30s, Su-27s and H-6s are the only offensive air threat in the PLAAF inventory. The H-6s are not much of a threat. Their surface to surface missiles are a bigger threat, but only to the ROC. The PLAAF, like the PLAN and PLA have a long way to go before they amount to much.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Whoaaaaa!!!! Jimmy, the biggest exercise I've seen the PLAAF acheived was 40 planes.

I wasnt shooting for realism. I was making the point that its not impossible to overwhelm an enemy with numbers, even if 80% of your toys are complete junk. Nobody flies a 12-ship DCA CAP. That's a logistical nightmare. But even if they surged "only" 40 planes, that would be more than a match for a more standard 4-ship CAP. At that point you're scrambling alert fighters and hoping there's not another wave after this one.

Originally Posted by FiRepower

China's airforce

Fighters: 1166

J11 - 96
J10 - 100
SU30MK - 100
Su27 - 70 ~
J8(Enlarged version of J7) - 300~
J7(Based on Mig21) - 500+

Attack: 400~

Q5 - 400+

Bombers: 130 ~

JH7(Fighter Bomber) - 70~
H6(Bomber) - 60+

Trainer : 400+
Nanchang CJ-6 - 400+



Is it only me or is the PLAAF very overrated..
Out of 1166 fighters , 800 are just versions of Mig-21 , only about 366 are a serius threat.

Those Q5 attack plane are old too.

Im not saying Chinese air force is not strong , it is 1 of the strongest in the world , but I see only 366 good fighters there , counting the chinese pilot training and no talent I just dont see PLAAF as a serius threat to any of these country's : USA , Russia , UK , India , Israel , even France and Germany.

What do you guys think could PLAAF be a threat to us , cuz i doubt it.

J-8F are not versions of Mig-21. When equipped with PL-12, they are just as capable as any other upgraded 3rd generation plane equipped with ARH missiles.

In truth, the Su-30s, Su-27s and H-6s are the only offensive air threat in the PLAAF inventory. The H-6s are not much of a threat. Their surface to surface missiles are a bigger threat, but only to the ROC. The PLAAF, like the PLAN and PLA have a long way to go before they amount to much.

the main attacking A2G/A2S asset in plaaf/planaf is JH-7A. the main A2A assets are J-10/J-11B.

3rd gen planes are horribly out of date. Militaries that actually have decent hardware usually use 4+ gen and the U.S. Russia and EU all have 5th gen projects, the U.S. one already finished. 3rd gen are completely worthless unless modernized VERY heavily.