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View Poll Results: Least Detectable Non-stealth Fighter
LCA Tejas 21 22.83%
AMX – Italy 0 0%
F – 5E Tiger 3 3.26%
MiG – 21-93 1 1.09%
Shafag - Iran 1 1.09%
Chengdu J-10 1 1.09%
Su – 47 Berkut 12 13.04%
Dassault Rafale 7 7.61%
Aeritalia F-104 0 0%
JF – 17 Thunder 0 0%
JAS – 39 Gripen 3 3.26%
F-CK-1 Ching-Kuo 0 0%
MiG – 35 Fulcrum F 2 2.17%
Eurofighter Typhoon 21 22.83%
F – 16F Desert Falcon 2 2.17%
F – 18 E/F Super Hornet 18 19.57%
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Old 08-20-2007, 16:11 PM   #46 (permalink)
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If your radar is jammed or destroyed, you can't detect anything. Then even a 747 becomes stealth.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:47 AM   #47 (permalink)
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The majority of those aircraft have non-AESA radar as well. The second you actually try and employ them in a combat situation the radar will give them away on RWR anyway...

F/A-18E, in addition to the "low-observable" features also comes with the AESA radar in more recent blocks I believe?
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Old 11-05-2007, 14:47 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Having an AESA antenna doesnt necessarily mean its low power/non-RWR reactive. But yes, the APG-77 is an AESA unit, while the older APG-73 is just an evolution of the -65.
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:01 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Yeah sorry meant that it has LPI (ie, shouln't show on RWR when attempting to track/lock targets)... most of the others don't...
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:55 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Tejas has a very stealthy concept
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:08 AM   #51 (permalink)
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but wouldn't stealth is pointless if you don't have a radar of enough power to take advantage of the "gap". if both are end up not seeing each other then it is really ~.~||

i would say Euro and F18.
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Old 12-03-2007, 23:58 PM   #52 (permalink)
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1. the Su – 47 Berkut isn't a fighter.
2. I have no idea. So I voted for the one I like most out of the group. The Rafale.
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Old 12-14-2007, 14:41 PM   #53 (permalink)
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but wouldn't stealth is pointless if you don't have a radar of enough power to take advantage of the "gap". if both are end up not seeing each other then it is really ~.~||

i would say Euro and F18.
What's wrong with the APG-77?
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:40 AM   #54 (permalink)
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SR-71 was very stealthy just because of its shape alone.


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And 75 -80 % of all flights Russians, Syrians or Libyans detect them and launched SAMs. And because of bad experience of those solders and luck of USAF pilots- it was no any accidents.
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:50 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Tronic, composites alone do not make a jet extremely stealthy; nor does it's size (unless it's the size of a bird...). The shaping is most important! And I've pointed out two things plainly seen on the F-18 Super Hornet that make it stealthy.

Sorry man, but those things you pointed out only help a little compared to the shaping.
Well, if you're right - SU-47 has more shaping body
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Old 12-20-2007, 19:56 PM   #56 (permalink)
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And 75 -80 % of all flights Russians, Syrians or Libyans detect them and launched SAMs. And because of bad experience of those solders and luck of USAF pilots- it was no any accidents.
They were usually locking onto the exhaust plume, actually. And every one of those missiles was a waste, because its physically impossible for them to maneuver enough to hit the SR-71 at speed, or even to reach such a high altitude before the Blackbird was well outside its max range.
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... or even to reach such a high altitude before the Blackbird was well outside its max range.
Yep. 3000+ SAMs fired at the Blackbird over it's career and no hits says it all.

The SR-71 was routinely picked up by domestic ATC radars. The controllers always knew what it was even though there was no data block on the target- it was the only AC capable of stretching a 5 minute vector line all the way across the display. The altitude readout usually read 0000, meaning the ATC radar couldn't tell where it actually was.
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The SR-71 was routinely picked up by domestic ATC radars. The controllers always knew what it was even though there was no data block on the target- it was the only AC capable of stretching a 5 minute vector line all the way across the display. The altitude readout usually read 0000, meaning the ATC radar couldn't tell where it actually was.


I undertand that enormous difficulties were encounted when the Air Force attempted to intercept Concorde, even when they knew where and when, and the airliner was much slower than the Blackbird
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The Air Force had enormous difficulty with the Concorde because they couldn't stay wit it long enough on afterburners. They would quickly run out of fuel before they could get in firing positions. That's my uninformed opinion, though.
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Old 12-22-2007, 11:24 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Its pretty difficult to run an intercept on something moving that fast anyway. At slower speeds, you have time to correct minor errors. More than about Mach 2.5 closure rates, small errors become very large errors, very fast.
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