Dago

Yup.

The F-15's got the call out of Langley.

Maxor

Anyone know if all versions of the JSF can buddy tanker or If its just the navy one or if its none?

Jimmy

The A model wont. The Air Force doesnt use probe-drogue for really anything except helicopters, and I'm pretty confident it doesnt have a boom

Maxor

are the navy versions getting it?

SRB

I think you didnt understand what designer said. To me it sound like this,
If OLS is looking for F-22 which will use heat supression system then we will see his wings and body on very close distance. I think it would be something like 10 or less km. Nothing impressive but what other aircraft (even F-22 can see F-22 from its tail on 10km?)
If it goes against aircraft without suppression IR then it will detect aircraft on 15km or more.

Hm well US could done many testing but fact is USSR invest much more time and money in IRST. And from what hear our pilots on Mig-29 evade couple of AIM-120 just thanks to IRST (radar was malfunction before bombing begin on many Mig-29) if our "falling apart" migs could do that what you expect about state of the art Mig-35 (TVC and 360 OLS).

Russian test their system with their missiles. System is working. I dont see why it wouldnt work. US will do anything to prove that F-22 is so superior to any other aircaft. It is true. But problem is missiles for F-22. AIM-120 arent match for F-22 maybe meteor (but it is much bigger missile).

What I want to say is that you can computer simulated missile firing against flying trucks like old F series jets (15,16,18,Super 18) but it is total different situation when you try it against flying ferraris (Su-30 and Mig-35).So US need real firing against F-22(because F-22 is only US plane with similar maneuver capabilities as Su and Migs) I belive this can be done but F-22 need active its radar(AIM-120 need to track something) and need to know always position of AIM1-120 (OLS knew always AIM position) and then if F-22 can evade AIM or couple of AIM we can say AIM isnt good weapon for F-22. What is benefit from superb fighter if its AIM cant take down agile Russian jets.

Are this tests done? No. Why? Because AIM will miss and US dont want that. I am sure that you dont know that our pilots (majority survive) last for couple of minutes in mig-29 with odds 20:1. But this data you will never hear of read on pro western military TV or site. In same manner I watch Discovery and there where program "World best fighters" It was filmed after 2000. There was F-117 (it isnt fighter) and they said such nice things about that bird and who many missions it flies but never they said F-117 was shoot down by old soviet system. USAF objectivity. Dont blame authors of that program they work closely with USAF specialists on making of that program.

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Jimmy

AIM-120s are tested against full-size drones (modified F-4 Phantoms) and smaller, more agile drones over the Gulf of Mexico regularly. Its not all computer-based.

PerryE

How would the F22 and F35 stack up against something like a C-5 with a big radar dome, a CIWS, lots of the standard missile countermeasures, and lots of missiles and guided bombs?

Jimmy

That question makes absolutely no sense. An AWACS-style radar isnt designed to target weapons, first off.

An E-3/C-5 thing would probably not see F-22s coming. A "big radar dome" like the E-3 wouldnt be able to target a CIWS or any missiles or anything anyway, so all that stuff is now useless. Countermeasures arent very useful if you dont deploy them, and if you dont know you're being targetted then you're not going to deploy them. I honestly have no clue what you expect to do with guided bombs against fighter aircraft.

So the best answer for your question would be:

The C-5 would fly in a straight line and die, never knowing that death was approaching at Mach 1.7 without afterburners.

omon

how many f35 can one get for a price of f22

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HKDan

I thought that you guys might get a kick out of this.

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BenRoethig

The only thing that's been near 100% effective these days is the ability of the Russian built aircraft you so love to get shot down.

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BenRoethig

This poll is like asking someone to choose between a Corvette and a Malibu. The F-35 is a much less expensive aircraft designed primarily for ground attack. It has a very god self defense ability, but it can't contend with a thoroughbred like the Raptor in a fight.

michaeljguess

Hi boys, couldn't help but join in on this one....

Firstly, a few years back a simulation was ran pitting the F22 against the EF Typhoon. The F22 came out on top with 4 kills for every loss, hence it is fair to say it is the better plane. However, the F22 costs a whole lot more than the EF Typhoon, thus the EF is more value for money, i.e. you can have several Typhoons for one F22.

The British Government (being the thrifty bunch that they are) would not fund a program such as the F35 Lightning *and* the EF Typhoon (which incidently almost stalled a few years back) if there was one aircraft that could do the job both jobs.

My point being; the F35 would never be superior in A-A combat with a EFT (which currently has limited A-G capabilities) otherwise the British Government would just buy all F35s rather than pay for both....

Therefore, in terms of pure capability, per aircraft, regardless of cost;
in A-A combat, F22 is best, followed by EFT, then F35
in A-G combat F35 is best, followed by EFT, then F22.

Is it not a funny coincidence that it turns out that each aircraft is 'best' at what it was designed to do?

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Jimmy

Awesome. The firepower that formation could hold could wipe out almost any air force in the world, if that air force bothered launching fighters.

BenRoethig

Actually, the Raptor doesn't cost that much more than the Typhoon. The Typhoon has a price tag of £67 which comes out to $135 million. The Raptor is just under $138 million or just over £68 million.