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Old 04-26-2007, 09:39 AM   #31 (permalink)
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perhaps, Eurofighter is definitely way better than anything Israel can get in the air right now, but the Saudi's aren't too much of a threat, remember the US has troops in Saudi Arabia, and attacking Israel would have any positive outcome for the Saudi's
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China gets a lot of help from Israel. At least some of it is willingly given. But either way, this is technology the US does NOT want spread.

Why do you think Raptors are being stationed in Alaska and Hawaii? I doubt its all due to concerns about North Korea.
Would the same be as in asking why we have had Stealths stationed in South Korea for some time lately? Not that NK is a concern but thats some VERY expensive technology parked next door mind you.
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:54 AM   #33 (permalink)
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US Stealth Fighters To Be Deployed In South Korea

F-117 Nighthawk Stealth fighters
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Seoul (AFP) Jan 10, 2007
The United States is sending between 15 and 24 radar-evading Stealth fighters to South Korea this month, the US military said Wednesday, amid increasing speculation over a second North Korean nuclear test. "One squadron of F-117 Nighthawk Stealth fighters will be deployed this month," said Kim Yong-Kyu, a spokesman for US Forces Korea. One squadron of fighters has between 15 and 24 aircraft.
"This is a routine deployment," he said, adding that the move had nothing to do with any particular threat. He declined to give further details, including where and for how long the fighters will be deployed.

Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, where the fighters are based, said in a Web posting that the fighters left earlier this week for South Korea.

General B.B. Bell, the commander of US forces in South Korea, said Tuesday he believes North Korea will test a second nuclear bomb at some time in the future, following its first test on October 9.

"Should North Korea attack the South in any way, the combined forces command will respond and we will win quickly and we will win decisively," he said.

Bell heads 29,000 US troops in the peninsula, supporting South Korea's 680,000-strong armed forces against any attack from the North's 1.1 million military.

A South Korean foreign ministry official said last week that activity had been detected at Punggye in northeast North Korea, near the site of the first test, but there was no sign of preparations for a second detonation.

The latest round of six-nation talks on the North's nuclear programme ended in Beijing in December without a breakthrough. The US State Department has said the talks could resume as early as this month.

Analysts say North Korea could set off a second nuclear device to strengthen its hand in the prolonged stand-off.


Source: Agence France-Presse
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:31 PM   #34 (permalink)
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perhaps, Eurofighter is definitely way better than anything Israel can get in the air right now, but the Saudi's aren't too much of a threat, remember the US has troops in Saudi Arabia, and attacking Israel would have any positive outcome for the Saudi's
The Eurofighter is better than the Raam. But WAY better? That's a bit overstated. And that's before you add up the pilots into the equations.
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Aren't the F-117s being decommissioned?
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Old 04-26-2007, 13:05 PM   #36 (permalink)
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israel sold china - Google Search

Probably not. It's also extremely expensive for a nation with a per-capita GDP a little over half that of the US.
The United States has sold to China far more technology than Israel has sold to China. Furthermore, Israeli exports are monitored by the United States, and several exports attempts have been vetoed successfully by the United States. Israel sells less to China than Europe does (although Israel sells a lot to Europe).

This isn't the Cold War.
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Old 04-26-2007, 13:13 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Aren't the F-117s being decommissioned?
Yes, slowly the F-117's are being phased out and retired. They will still be kept operational in case the need should arise for their service. The U.S. will still keep a few available at a moments notice no doubt. They still dont let people around them within a certain limit even at air shows.
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Old 04-26-2007, 13:17 PM   #38 (permalink)
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That point about airshows is pretty funny, to me. They had a F-117 at the Miramar Airshow in September 2006. It's open on Fridays, but nobody goes on Friday (they all go Saturday), and so I went on Friday and nobody said anything when I walked right up to the F-117. I didn't take any engine shots thought, and I couldn't as my camera wasn't powerful enough when they brought the F-117 out to fly. Beyond that, Marines were yelling at us to turn our cameras off.

Unfortunately, the site I had all these pictures died... and they are all on my other computer, which I don't have access to, and probably won't have access to for another 2 and a half years. I'll see if I can get those pictures before I leave for BCT and put them on a flash drive.
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Old 04-26-2007, 13:24 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Yes, slowly the F-117's are being phased out and retired. They will still be kept operational in case the need should arise for their service. The U.S. will still keep a few available at a moments notice no doubt. They still dont let people around them within a certain limit even at air shows.
The "dont get too close range" is very close nowadays. The chain/rope was no further for the 117 than it was for the QF-4 parked in front of it at a show I went to last year.

As far as their deployment...I hadnt heard about it. But they're not stealth fighters, they're dedicated bombers. THAT was a message for North Korea. I think half the F-22 fleet being permanently based in the Pacific was a message intended for someone else.
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Yes, slowly the F-117's are being phased out and retired. They will still be kept operational in case the need should arise for their service. The U.S. will still keep a few available at a moments notice no doubt. They still dont let people around them within a certain limit even at air shows.
A number of British exchange pilots have served in F-117 Squadrons. I don't know if pilots from elsewhere have. I would have thought the Nighthawk would have few secrets to reveal now. I do know that it is much slower than most people would expect, and the landing speed is pretty high, so its range of operating speeds are limited.
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Funny thing was some of us saw them long before the public viewed them for the first time. They would fly at night around the area a former ex was living in NJ. It was very diffacult to make them out until they crossed over more of an urban residential area and the light bounced off of them. Everybody knew something was there due to sound but they were spotted very very rarely. Most people that lived in that area still dont know what they were looking at.
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The "dont get too close range" is very close nowadays. The chain/rope was no further for the 117 than it was for the QF-4 parked in front of it at a show I went to last year.

As far as their deployment...I hadnt heard about it. But they're not stealth fighters, they're dedicated bombers. THAT was a message for North Korea. I think half the F-22 fleet being permanently based in the Pacific was a message intended for someone else.
You will have to forgive me as it has been some time since my last visit to an air show that they were part of. I agree they are dedicated bombers built along the fighter frame network.I doubt they would be very good at fighter rolls as they are in bombing rolls. Thats why they are called "woblin goblins" the computers that adjust the aircraft stability every few seconds are just plain amazing.
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"This isn't the Cold War."

That is the problem. It is a cold war at least on one side of the equation but we keep our heads burried within the sand.

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A number of British exchange pilots have served in F-117 Squadrons. I don't know if pilots from elsewhere have. I would have thought the Nighthawk would have few secrets to reveal now. I do know that it is much slower than most people would expect, and the landing speed is pretty high, so its range of operating speeds are limited.
There are RAF pilots flying the F-22, also. I met one, so I know they exist. But yeah, I'm also surprised so little information about them really made it into the public arena.

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You will have to forgive me as it has been some time since my last visit to an air show that they were part of. I agree they are dedicated bombers built along the fighter frame network.I doubt they would be very good at fighter rolls as they are in bombing rolls. Thats why they are called "woblin goblins" the computers that adjust the aircraft stability every few seconds are just plain amazing.
What do you mean "fighter frame network?"
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There are RAF pilots flying the F-22, also. I met one, so I know they exist. But yeah, I'm also surprised so little information about them really made it into the public arena.



What do you mean "fighter frame network?"
Meaning the "bomber" is built to be a fighter by design. The B1 & B2 can handle the bombing runs however the F117 can do it pretty effeciently for being originally designed as a fighter more then a bomber.
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