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Old 04-23-2007, 21:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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why do they need one, every enemy of theirs has planes, that are inferior to f 16, 18, 14, 15. which they already have, it is overkill, expencive overkill, not to mention getting f 22 into a enemys hands.
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Old 04-23-2007, 23:42 PM   #17 (permalink)
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From my understanding the F-22 is not for foreign export, the only people getting it are the USAF.
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Old 04-24-2007, 00:33 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I definitely see it more likely that they will get the JSF, if anything. They already have air supremacy going into battle with their current aircraft against any regional opponent. The only side benefit of stealth for them is strike capability, the don't need a stealth air superiority fighter, let alone such an expensive one to boot.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:22 AM   #19 (permalink)
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From my understanding the F-22 is not for foreign export, the only people getting it are the USAF.
The availability of the F-22 for sale outside the USA is a hot topic in Australia, which has signed up as a JSF partner. There has been strong lobbying in Australia, from organisations like Air Power Australia for the RAAF to buy the F-22 instead of the F-35 and the Opposition Defence Spokesman has also indicated support for this proposal. The RAAF has stated categorically that whilst it acknowledges that the F-22 is the world's premier air superiority fighter, it wants the more versatile and cheaper F-35 and the government has followed the air force's advice. The Australian Defence Minister has also received a letter from the US Deputy Defence Secretary, Gordon England, stating that the F-22 would not be made available for foreign military sales and he has stated repeatedly that the RAAF is unable to consider the F-22 for that reason.

US rules out deal on F-22 | News | The Australian

Any agreement to sell the Raptor to Israel would certainly be viewed with interest in Australia, if not by the RAAF, then certainly by the pro F-22 lobby groups..

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Old 04-24-2007, 08:57 AM   #20 (permalink)
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From my understanding the F-22 is not for foreign export, the only people getting it are the USAF.
everything is for sale, if the price is right.
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:33 AM   #21 (permalink)
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would the RAF stand a better chance of getting the F-22 than any one else if they were so inclined to ask for it
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Old 04-24-2007, 11:38 AM   #22 (permalink)
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We should definitely sell the F22 to Australia, but not to the backstabbing Israelis. I am very pro-Israel, but their track record recently sucks. Fool me once...

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not to the backstabbing Israelis.

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Old 04-25-2007, 01:53 AM   #24 (permalink)
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It does make sense. I support them, but ultimately my thoughts, prayers, support come down to the home team. Israel is kinda like the bad child, that you love and support, but steals the car and crashes it into a wall. You love the kid, but you do not let him borrow the car again. After the help they have given the PRC I would not sell them the JSF.

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Because its overkill, and they cant be trusted. When we get our own Raptor fleet up and running, push some of the replaced F-15Cs down to the ANG and Reserves, and sell Israel the F-15As we still use. Its at least a match for anything Iran is flying.
Cant be trusted? That says alot for the military intell they give and we share. Just in asking just who do you think they would give it too obviously being surrounded by so many "friends"
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why would you need F-22s against early mig29s?
Why not? Let Iran worry while their "mouthpiece" continues to make his threats
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Cant be trusted? That says alot for the military intell they give and we share. Just in asking just who do you think they would give it too obviously being surrounded by so many "friends"
China gets a lot of help from Israel. At least some of it is willingly given. But either way, this is technology the US does NOT want spread.

Why do you think Raptors are being stationed in Alaska and Hawaii? I doubt its all due to concerns about North Korea.
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Because its overkill, and they cant be trusted. When we get our own Raptor fleet up and running, push some of the replaced F-15Cs down to the ANG and Reserves, and sell Israel the F-15As we still use. Its at least a match for anything Iran is flying.
Israel already flies the F-15I, which is better than anything any Arab nation can put in the sky right now except maybe the Saudi F-15s (though Israeli pilots are much better).
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with the saudi's buying Eurofighters do you think this might worry the israeli's a little?
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perhaps, Eurofighter is definitely way better than anything Israel can get in the air right now, but the Saudi's aren't too much of a threat, remember the US has troops in Saudi Arabia, and attacking Israel would have any positive outcoem for the Saudi's
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