View Poll Results: Best Attack Helecopter

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  • AH64D Apache Longbow

    117 53.92%
  • A129 Augusta Mangusta

    9 4.15%
  • Mi 28 Havoc

    19 8.76%
  • Kamov Ka52 Blackshark varients

    46 21.20%
  • Eurocopter Tigre

    17 7.83%
  • Rooivalk AH-2As

    9 4.15%
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    I vote to add in the AH-1Z Cobra. It's a better all around platform. Does better than the Apache in the sand.

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    I'm going for the WAH-64 Apache Longbow, the advanced British version of the AH-64 Apache Longbow. Differences being:
    1. Folding Blade Mechanism for use in confined spaces on board ships.
    2. Rolls Royce Turbomeca Engines, giving it 25% more power than the GE-T700s'.
    The US Government are currently evaluating these engines.
    3. Anti-Ice protection for the rotor blades.
    4. Helicopter Integrated Defensive Aids (HIDAS).
    5. Connectivity to BOWMAN (Communications System).
    6. M230 Chain Gun (Same as US), Hellfire, Stinger, Starstreak, Sidewinder/Sidearm
    Missiles, CRV 7 Rockets.
    7. Never Exceed Speed 402Km/h - 250mph, Max Speed 365Km/h - 227mph.
    US version = 365Km/h - 227mph and 293Km/h - 182mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaobam Armour View Post
    Sidearm
    ... has been out of production for a looooooong time now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGTharos View Post
    ... has been out of production for a looooooong time now.
    So it has been, excuse my ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaobam Armour View Post
    I'm going for the WAH-64 Apache Longbow, the advanced British version of the AH-64 Apache Longbow. Differences being:
    1. Folding Blade Mechanism for use in confined spaces on board ships.
    2. Rolls Royce Turbomeca Engines, giving it 25% more power than the GE-T700s'.
    The US Government are currently evaluating these engines.
    3. Anti-Ice protection for the rotor blades.
    4. Helicopter Integrated Defensive Aids (HIDAS).
    5. Connectivity to BOWMAN (Communications System).
    6. M230 Chain Gun (Same as US), Hellfire, Stinger, Starstreak, Sidewinder/Sidearm
    Missiles, CRV 7 Rockets.
    7. Never Exceed Speed 402Km/h - 250mph, Max Speed 365Km/h - 227mph.
    US version = 365Km/h - 227mph and 293Km/h - 182mph.
    Are they finally airborne? Last I heard they were still sitting in storage somewhere waiting for trained pilots and/or the required upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stitch View Post
    Are they finally airborne? Last I heard they were still sitting in storage somewhere waiting for trained pilots and/or the required upgrades.
    For usability in combined arms @ a price thats likely to see more combat than other platforms I have an affinity for the viper (though im biased)

    If your after bells and whistles and more then apache.

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    Ah 64 is battle proven with mixed results

    Dessert Storm--277 Apaches were fielded to destroy 500APCs and Tanks
    Prima facie very impressive but if you see the nos it is the other way round

    With 277 Choppers you can destroy complete mechanized divisions, if backed by infantry/Artellary pieces in a matter of days--an Army half the size of a country like Iran /Pakistan can be wiped out.
    True efficacy measurement is tricky it depends on who is fighting whom.


    MI28 will prove be very good if tried as it is are heavily armoured
    and have the same fire power as Apache--I need not mention the specs.

    MI28 also carries more AA missiles (8Igla ) compared to 4 of the apache, the mi-28 uses Ataka and also can use Vikhr-m missiles which are comparable to the hellfire with their 10,000m+ range and penetration, and they are also can be used as AA missiles.optimized for day/night operations in all weather equipped with a milimeter wave radar station, IR-TV and laser ranger mounted on top of the main rotor in a manner similar to the mounting of the Longbow dome on the AH-64 Apache Longbow.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhumikabhushan View Post


    ah 64 is battle proven with mixed results

    dessert storm--277 apaches were fielded to destroy 500 plus apcs and tanks
    prima facie very impressive but if you see the nos it is the other way round.


    Semour hersh says apache attack helicopters, bradley fighting vehicles, and artillery units from the 24th division pummeled the 5 -mile-long retreating iraqi columnfor hours, destroying some 700 iraqi tanks, armored cars and trucks, and killing not only iraqi soldiers but civilians and children as well. Many of the dead were buried soon after the engagement, and no accurate count of the victims could be made."
    with 277 choppers you can destroy complete mechanized divisions, if backed by infantry/artellary pieces in a matter of days--an army half the size of a country like iran /pakistan can be wiped out.
    True efficacy measurement is tricky it depends on who is fighting whom.
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    mi28 will prove be very good if tried as it is are heavily armoured
    and have the same fire power as apache--i need not mention the specs.

    Mi28 also carries more aa missiles (8igla ) compared to 4 of the apache, the mi-28 uses ataka and also can use vikhr-m missiles which are comparable to the hellfire with their 10,000m+ range and penetration, and they are also can be used as aa missiles.optimized for day/night operations in all weather equipped with a milimeter wave radar station, ir-tv and laser ranger mounted on top of the main rotor in a manner similar to the mounting of the longbow dome on the ah-64 apache longbow.)
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    A new competitor in the Intermediate Attack Helicopter range

    T129 | AgustaWestland


    Last edited by district; 15 Sep 09, at 02:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stitch View Post
    Are they finally airborne? Last I heard they were still sitting in storage somewhere waiting for trained pilots and/or the required upgrades.
    Where have you been, they have been in the Stan for years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaobam Armour View Post
    Where have you been, they have been in the Stan for years now.
    Oops! I was thinking about the CH-47, not the AH-64; yes, there was a very good article in one of the recent issues of Smithsonian Air & Space magazine about hunting the Taliban in the WAH-64. Go here for the on-line version of the article.

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    A new competitor in the Intermediate Attack Helicopter range


    *Not exactly, Boeing Inc. had the LHX project in the late 80's and early 90's that was almost the exact looking, exact gun armed light attack helo's. Although I'm will to be that the phantom touch screens,unbilcal chords and other mods are much different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhumikabhushan View Post
    MI28 will prove be very good if tried as it is are heavily armoured and have the same fire power as Apache--I need not mention the specs.
    Perhaps you ought, then you might discover that the Mi-28 doesn't really out-spec the apache ... the Mi-28 has been playing catch-up since inception.

    MI28 also carries more AA missiles (8Igla ) compared to 4 of the apache,
    At a cost of its primary mission payload. Meaningless. Further, the US Apache does not carry ANY A2A missiles (it isn't even wired for it) - the UK one does. Some think that currently this is not a mission0critical payload.

    the mi-28 uses Ataka and also can use Vikhr-m missiles which are comparable to the hellfire with their 10,000m+ range and penetration, and they are also can be used as AA missiles.
    Under almost all circumstances, the hellfire is a better weapon than either of those.

    optimized for day/night operations in all weather equipped with a milimeter wave radar station, IR-TV and laser ranger mounted on top of the main rotor in a manner similar to the mounting of the Longbow dome on the AH-64 Apache Longbow.)
    The Mi-28 mounts its sensors under the chin, like the apache. The MMW radar is radar masted IF and WHEN available (read that again - that's right, they don't have enough of them), like the apache.

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    i whould like to note that how fast they are doesnt really matter that much. i mean when they are in support of a attack they dont need to go any faster then 200 mph (at least i think). so what if the ka-50 is faster its not like it needs to be like a freaking mig-25. and i dont know anything about this new turkish fighter so i have nothing to say.

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