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this one is funny

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gunnut

A technology demonstrator killing an active fighter one generation more advanced? Come on, it could happen...

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GGTharos

Not that simple - at that range the F-22 can actually exit missile parameters in the blink of an eye. Besides which, you're not launching a missile in one frame, period.

Also, you can't really call a gun kill after 'terminate' is called. For all you know that Raptor is just diving for speed and the hornet pilot is using that to get his 15 seconds of glory.

GGTharos

Yep, easily - this is the kind of fight the Raptor would seek to avoid - but it's still good enough to win it just about every time.

There's no combat aircraft that is untouchable - all it takes is a little bad luck (or bad training)

MarquezRazor

May or MAYNOT.

1frame is sufficient for IR.

hello

That burning plane looks more like a MiG-29 to me. Look at its tail and LERX.

It's a tech demonstrator destroying a half-generation older fighter than itself.

Maximus

That is correct.

Even WVR, the Raptor has a lower heat signature due to lower drag. In the picture, if the Hornet had fired off a heater on the Raptor, then it could have been easily avoided by the Raptor.

While fighting BVR, a Slammer fired off from a Raptor would have a higher(upto 33%) RMax2. And the Superhornet won't be able to get a lock even at 100 meters.

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Maximus

Wait a minute! I just thought of it.. Isnt there like a targeting funnel in HUD that allows the pilot to fire a gun on the target without having to lock?

MarquezRazor

Yup.But that wouldnt be too accurate.

GGTharos

With that closure, IT WILL.

If you've gone through the trouble of locking onto target and whatnot already, yes, otherwise, no. This guy is inside sidewinder Rmin, and closing fast - the initial VC is 200, which is only increasing - but if we do stick with 200, these two pass by each other in about 3 sec.

Horrido

I've heard that mentioned before, and it's about your only option. Like I said, good luck! lol

I liked one comment regarding two stealth aircraft attempting to engage each other:

"MARCO!"

WHOOOOSH!

"POLO!"

WHOOOOSH!

"MARCO!"...

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MarquezRazor

Conjecture.

If the Raptor is in the HUD and you try to lock in from this distance,it will directly to to the atk submode.Thats 1 frame.In the next frame you will just be letting the missile go.

chankya

Thats the way military history has always been. Someone comes up with a smaller RCS. Someone will invent a better radar.

one easy way would be to look for a bumblebee doing mach 2 at 60000 ft.

As for dissing the PAKFA. Russian planes operate and operate well under extreme condition. American equipment almost invariable needs Tender Loving Care. Case in point... The Abrams tank. More tanks are lost due to desert weather and resultant equipment fatigue than are lost in combat.

The germans made the awesome weapons in WWII. Yet they lost becuase the russians made a heck of a lot more OK weapons! And yes.... it was the russians and gen. winter that won WWII. The rest of you just made it shorter.

highsea

Tell that to the Serbs...

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chankya

maybe when nothing on the ground is being hit its not really worth sending up aircraft.

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