IAF & USAF to Engage in Red Flag Exercises

MarquezRazor · 02-24-2007, 02:40 AM

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While it took over 50 years for the Indian Air Force to conduct joint air exercises with the US Air Force, that interaction could get a further boost as the IAF is likely to participate in multilateral exercises in the United States within the next year or two.

An invitation to take part in the rigorous Red Flag exercises in either Nevada or Alaska has been accepted by the Chief of the Indian Air Force, according to his American counterpart.

The American Air Force chief General T Michael Moseley emphasized that ties with the Indian Air Force would scale new heights with the invitation to the IAF, to participate in the USAF�s Red Flag exercises. This operation consists realistic aerial war games in combat situations to train air force pilots from the US, NATO and allied countries. This will be the first time the IAF will take part in a Red Flag exercise.

USAF Chief of Staff, T Michael Moseley told CNBC-TV18, "We�ve not had an opportunity to understand each other�s culture, to understand each other�s rules, understand how to operate together since World War II. And so, any of these things in a multilateral sense, in a coalition sense, has benefits for all of us. And I look forward to more of them, whether it�s in my country or whether it�s in your country."

While the USAF has had successful joint exercises with the IAF in recent years, General Moseley made it clear that inter-operability of hardware remained an issue.

Moseley explains, "To go beyond where we are now, into something much more interdependent requires a similar equipage of aircraft, whether its cargo carrier aircraft, whether its fighters or whether its trainers, and so were looking at that now as a potential set of opportunities - depending on what your air force and your government decide to buy."

That, of course, is a pitch for India to procure US aircraft and defence equipment, a discussion that the General said was in progress. The Indian Air Forces participation in the Red Flag exercises in the United States is just another indicator that the US is focusing on strengthening its military ties with India.

IAF & USAF to Engage in Red Flag Exercises | India Defence

India and US coming closer and closer.Some countries will be clearly dis-comfited.
And as is the rule now,the impact of this on the MRCA acquisation will be discussed at many places

to death.

btw..how is inter-operability of "cargo-carriers" an issue?Is it because of the logistics?

Horrido · 02-24-2007, 11:23 AM

I would imagine fuel, parts, communications, even potentially how the aircraft are designed and measured to secure cargo would have an impact.

It'll be interesting to see the reaction of Russia and China when Raptors eat top-notch Flankers like Rosie O'Donnell scarfs twinkies. The debut of the Raptor at Red Flag was decisive.

Tronic · 02-24-2007, 11:33 AM

Its going to be awesome flying against the Raptors, if they also take part in the Red Flag excersices...

Archer · 02-24-2007, 11:46 AM

I dont think the IAF will commit MKIs to RF, despite the media buzz so far. Perhaps we'll send our grade A Bisons to face the Raptor!

Tronic · 02-24-2007, 11:47 AM

yeah, I don't think MKIs will be going to US either... but most probably SU-30MKs or MK1s....

btw, didn't the MKIs participate in the exercises with the French???

Tronic · 02-24-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Horrido

It'll be interesting to see the reaction of Russia and China when Raptors eat top-notch Flankers

Chinese Flankers are heavily downgraded versions of the Su-35 fielded by Russia and the MKI fielded by India... forget the Raptor, the PLAAF knows that even F-16s can pop them down.

MarquezRazor · 02-24-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

Chinese Flankers are heavily downgraded versions of the Su-35 fielded by Russia and the MKI fielded by India... forget the Raptor, the PLAAF knows that even F-16s can pop them down.

Actually PLAAF flankers are upgraded Su27UBs,not down-graded Su35s.Although PLAN flankers (MKK2) which is considerably better.

MarquezRazor · 02-24-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Horrido

I would imagine fuel, parts, communications, even potentially how the aircraft are designed and measured to secure cargo would have an impact.

Okay..that basically means logistics.

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It'll be interesting to see the reaction of Russia and China when Raptors eat top-notch Flankers like Rosie O'Donnell scarfs twinkies. The debut of the Raptor at Red Flag was decisive

I dont think they will worry too much.Its expected..they are a generation apart and after all the actual comparison of the Raptor will be with the PAKFA..Then they might have something to say.

btw..the full capabilities of the N011M have yet to be shown to anybody..which I doubt will be done anytime soon.

MrFirst · 02-24-2007, 14:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MarquezRazor

Actually PLAAF flankers are upgraded Su27UBs,not down-graded Su35s.Although PLAN flankers (MKK2) which is considerably better.

The letters "UB" just mean "combat-trainer" aircraft. Su-27UB is a two-seat version of a base Su-27 intended both for trainings and for combat work. Like MiG-29 and MiG-29UB, Su-25 and Su-25UB etc. This is the common mark for all types of Soviet/Russian aircrafts.

MarquezRazor · 02-24-2007, 14:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFirst

The letters "UB" just mean "combat-trainer" aircraft. Su-27UB is a two-seat version of a base Su-27 intended both for trainings and for combat work. Like MiG-29 and MiG-29UB, Su-25 and Su-25UB etc. This is the common mark for all types of Soviet/Russian aircrafts.

Yes...your point being?

tphuang · 02-24-2007, 15:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

Chinese Flankers are heavily downgraded versions of the Su-35 fielded by Russia and the MKI fielded by India... forget the Raptor, the PLAAF knows that even F-16s can pop them down.

depending on which one you are talking about. the sk are possibly the worst Flankers around and would have serious problems against the ROCAF block 20s. MKK and the last batch of ubk at least have the N-001VE radar + R-77 support, but they would still have problems against block 20s.

But J-11B, that's a whole different story.

highsea · 02-24-2007, 15:31 PM

I'd love to see Raptors and MKIs in a furball, 2 on 2 or 4 on 4. No long range missiles, just HOBS heaters and guns.

That'd give us all something to argue about for a year.

kams · 02-24-2007, 15:45 PM

^^^..That will be a record setter, a 100 page thread, atleast 5-6 posters banned

...'salivating'

Horrido · 02-24-2007, 17:54 PM

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^^^..That will be a record setter, a 100 page thread, atleast 5-6 posters banned

...'salivating'

Flightsim warrior wannabes falling from the sky like a Howard Hughes Hell's Angels epic...

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I dont think they will worry too much.Its expected..they are a generation apart and after all the actual comparison of the Raptor will be with the PAKFA..Then they might have something to say.

Assuming PAKFA ever leaves the drawing board, which I would be very surprised to see, considering the current development sloth, funding issues, and zero experience building stealth aircraft.

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btw..the full capabilities of the N011M have yet to be shown to anybody..which I doubt will be done anytime soon.

Physics is physics, and the N011M can't overcome that.

MrFirst · 02-24-2007, 18:49 PM

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Yes...your point being?

Not a point, just a little remark. You've said as if PLAN had only combat-trainer version of Su-27. There are no upgraded Su-27UBs, this is just a training version of one of base types. In Chinese case one of the first types of Su-27. Some upgraded types of Su-27 have its combat-trainer versions, some haven't. But "UB" means combat-trainer, and PLAN has not only "UB".

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Tronic Navajo Code Talker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-27-04 Location: Patiala, India Posts: 5,370 Country:	Its going to be awesome flying against the Raptors, if they also take part in the Red Flag excersices... __________________ *Nabha Sparasham Deeptam* *-Touch The Sky With Glory*

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Archer *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 10-13-03 Posts: 2,888	I dont think the IAF will commit MKIs to RF, despite the media buzz so far. Perhaps we'll send our grade A Bisons to face the Raptor! __________________ Karmani Vyapurutham Dhanuhu My bow is stretched for its task

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Tronic Navajo Code Talker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-27-04 Location: Patiala, India Posts: 5,370 Country:	yeah, I don't think MKIs will be going to US either... but most probably SU-30MKs or MK1s.... btw, didn't the MKIs participate in the exercises with the French??? Last edited by Tronic : 02-24-2007 at 12:20 PM.

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highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,536	I'd love to see Raptors and MKIs in a furball, 2 on 2 or 4 on 4. No long range missiles, just HOBS heaters and guns. That'd give us all something to argue about for a year. __________________ My baby called me up. She said- Why don't you ever take me out? Pick me up in your brand new car....You shake the short change from the old fruit jar...

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