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Those birds got a lot of use in the Iran-Iraq war, and the center barrels and wing boxes are fatigued. If any of these are really still flying, they are severely G-limited. The AWG-9's are DEAD without replacement TWT's. Every single one of them. If they're working at all, it's on French or Russian tubes.
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Also, they seem to have a hangup viz. Russia and their AF and per ACIG have trust issues, so the French seem to be the candidates. The PRC, has just started fielding airborne FCRs ..dont think they can manage on demand TWTs for which most of the specs will have to be reverse engineered..
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I recall in a game (or was it an old intel report?) where the Iranian F-14's were used as AWACS birds.
Now, I don't know much about that aircraft's radar, of whether it would still work or not, what it would take to make it work. That wasn't my area. But if someone was doing something of a reverse Tu-128 situation, with a decent SAM net, where instead of ground directing the aircraft to the intercept, the aircraft is directing ground where to point the missiles (or worse) ......... then that's one flak storm I'd rather avoid. Basic point is, if the bird can fly at all, consider all aspects of what it can be used for, not just what you would use it for. ----------------------------------------------- ("This ship is equipped with a forward-mounted, twenty-millimeter electric cannon. Its six barrels are capable of firing four thousand rounds of ammunition per minute. And that, gentlemen, is one hell of a sh*t-storm in anybody's language!"--Sgt. Short, (wtte), "Blue Thunder") |
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On top of that, look at what highly capable air-to-air fighters those Toms would be controlling: F-4s, F-5s (and several heavily modified versions), Floggers, Fencers, Su-17s, J-6s, J-7s, and Mig-29As and homemade SMTs. Aside from maybe those Fulcrums, the F-14 is still probably the best fighter they've got. |
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Ie, they probably can't do it on their own, but could they do it if they hired engineers? Hired pilots? Hired SAM operators? Is such so unreasonable? We've worried for years that the weapons capability of the Soviet Union might end up in the wrong hands. Well, these hands probably have the money to pay for such. Besides, if Iran is involved in state sponsered terrorism (not going to bother to research it) then just as they could pay others to do the dirty work, so they might pay others to do some of the fighting. Likely? Don't know, I don't have access to that kind of data. But look a little bit beyound the box when estimating fights like these. ----------------------------------------- ("Oh yeah? You and what army?"--cartoon of a guy at one end of a bar, unaware that his opponent does have an army hiding behind his end of the bar, (w,stte)) |
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Last, and most difficult would be developing a doctrine to use the system. The IRIAF has been separated from the mainstream of air warfare for 27 years. It would be highly difficult for them to develop a doctrine in a short time that is anywhere near as effective as that in use by the US. Quote:
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There is also an unconfirmed report of the IRIAF shooting down four Iraqi Mirages with a single AIM-54A. Neat trick. Given the rotten range of most radars fitted in Mirages, I can imagine an F-14 getting in position to fire an AIM-54C. I've done that lots of times against various Mirage operators. It just pissed off the RAAF when I did it. And it really embarrased the frogs. One time, I even locked up a frog Mirage III with my Phantom and stayed outside his radar range. I held lock so long that he started whining on the guard frequency. But, getting four Mirages with one AIM-54? They had to be flying straight and level and let the thing fly into their formation before it detonated. I have a hard time imagining that level of stupidity. |
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Fair enough! It's a good answer.
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