The Indian Science of Aeronautics

**Officer of Engineers** · 10 Jan 07,, 17:25

The same with the Atlantis myth. If they had flight, or even power boats, then why would they rely on sails (and not even ocean going sails at that) from the Greeks for trade?

If the ancient Indians had flight, then they should've defeated the Persains, the Sycthians, and the other tribes with ease but we know from the histories of these peoples that they were at war both offensively and defensively and they were certainly not scared from the battlefield from the air. Historic facts do not match the myth.

joey2 · 10 Jan 07,, 17:27

The simple logic of this is that if these Ancient Indians were practising air warfare, then they should have been ruling the ancient world.

A bit Psy-op sir

Ancient Vishnu Idol can change view on russian history-from mosnews dated 4th Jan

Ancient Vishnu Idol Can Change View on Russian History
Created: 04.01.2007 14:18 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 21:04 MSK

MosNews

An ancient Vishnu idol has been found during excavation in an old village in Russia’s Volga region, raising questions about the prevalent view on the origin of ancient Russia, the Reuters news agency reports.

The idol found in Staraya (old) Maina village dates back to VII-X century AD. Staraya Maina village in Ulyanovsk region was a highly populated city 1700 years ago, much older than Kiev, so far believed to be the mother of all Russian cities.

“We may consider it incredible, but we have ground to assert that Middle-Volga region was the original land of Ancient Rus. This is a hypothesis, but a hypothesis, which requires thorough research,” Reader of Ulyanovsk State University’s archaeology department Dr Alexander Kozhevin told state-run television Vesti .

Dr Kozhevin, who has been conducting excavation in Staraya Maina for last seven years, said that every single square metre of the surroundings of the ancient town situated on the banks of Samara, a tributary of Volga, is studded with antiques.

Prior to unearthing of the Vishnu idol, Dr Kozhevin has already found ancient coins, pendants, rings and fragments of weapons.

He believes that today’s Staraya Maina, a town of eight thousand, was ten times more populated in the ancient times. It is from here that people started moving to the Don and Dneiper rivers around the time ancient Russy built the city of Kiev, now the capital of Ukraine.

An international conference is being organised later this year to study the legacy of the ancient village, which can radically change the history of ancient Russia.

A indian paper reported it as well...

joey2 · 10 Jan 07,, 17:51

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The same with the Atlantis myth. If they had flight, or even power boats, then why would they rely on sails (and not even ocean going sails at that) from the Greeks for trade?

If the ancient Indians had flight, then they should've defeated the Persains, the Sycthians, and the other tribes with ease but we know from the histories of these peoples that they were at war both offensively and defensively and they were certainly not scared from the battlefield from the air. Historic facts do not match the myth.

Well i really have no idea but such technologies have ended after the end of war in kurkhshetra.
there are so called "yuges"-ages, each has seen a diff thing from its precedissor.

but your correct no conclusion can be drawn without proof.the ones have been proved are quite astonishing none the less, even ancient chinese had a lot of stuffs.

**omon** · 10 Jan 07,, 18:27

The Significance of the Vishnu Idol

The discovery of an ancient Vishnu idol in an excavation in Russia only confirms certain ideas I have always had about our ancient and glorious land and culture.

The report says that the area in which the idol was found is called Staraya Maina. In the Rig Veda, there is a passage that goes, Itham ascati pasyat syantham, ekam mainam starayath kalam. This translates into Staraya Maina is the name of the land of the 45 rivers (on whose banks the noble Rishis conducted the famous Horse Sacrifices), where the sun god descends into one fifty two forty seven. While the first line identifies a location, the second line talks about the exact latitude and longitude at which the solar spectrum produces interference lines at one, fifty two, and forty seven.

The extreme precision of the calculations show the advanced science of the Vedic period, and also a thorough knowledge of SI units (it has been conclusively proven that French scientists stole the system from the Indians.

The discovery of the idol confirms the location in Russia, identified in the Rig Veda as rus soviath sapthamahanagaratham (the ancient and holy land of the 722 flying vehicles). The ancient connections between the Russians and the Indians has been unequivocally confirmed. In Russian orthodox Christianity, worship is conducted very much like in Vishnu temples. The Russians refer to the feast of Vizhnyir Ekoratsya Vikhunh, directly corresponding with Vaikhunda Ekhadasi.

The Russian language also owes a lot to Sanskrit, whose origins 50,000 years ago roughly correspond with the language of the people of the Smritzyi archaeological site, along the banks of the now-dried up Vernstokhlin (Varnasatyakhalini) river system.

It is common knowledge in the archaeological community that the Parashurama Sutra, the basis of all government policy in the erstwhile Kerala kingdom of Vaazhappazhaa, contains the lines Sthulyam Kaamyunishancha kalanam brighahaha. The links between the ancient Russians and Indians almost certainly aided by the 60,00 odd scholars of the University of Vexalate (Sk. Vekhshalatha, Ru. Vekholotsla), in modern-day Central Afghanistan, in the 17th Century BCE, is said to have transferred political ideas through the land of the Vanga (Ru. Vangnya) in modern-day West Bengal.

The Vishnu idol is depicted with a hammer in one left hand while the deconglated seventh arm on the right side holds a reticulated sickle. This hammer and sickle imagery is also found in the Parashurama Sutra, conclusively placing the origin of great and popular Russian political ideology in Vedic India.

The Bringdunthaladeena Upanishad also mentions Kaamyunishcham in its list of land sacrifices, where under the directions of the King, all the land in the country was donated to the performance of sacrifices where Brahmins continuously tickled horny silk-rats (Gandharvamooshicam) until they collapsed in orgiastic exhaustion. The text also clearly identifies a group of scholars referred to as the Paalita Buryam, who oversaw the functioning of the King.

For years, western historical study dominated by Greco-Capitalists, has sought to undermine the Vedic Indian contributions to what came to be 19th and 20th Century world politics. The Greco-Capitalists also attributed the ideology of Communism to the work done by Karl Marx, one of their own. It has been well documented that Marx indeed visited Kerala and West Bengal, and had thorough understanding of the Parashurama Sutra, a copy of which he picked up in the old-book-stall near the Cochin airport. Later on, as part of the larger Greco-centric Capitalist conspiracy, Marx took all the credit himself.

In 1952 in Soviet Russia, an archaeologist, Prof. Varely Smirzkoff of Odessa University found artefacts near the ancient Belarussian town of Kozhikodz. He was the first to speculate that the ruling political ideology of his country could well have had its origins in Vedic India rather than Modern Europe. Stalin funded Smirzkoff's research until Smirrzkoff was suddenly found to have stolen over 500,000 paper clips from work over the course of his tenure at Odessa University. He was sent to Siberia, and with him went almost all academic proof that would have certainly brought Russia and India closer together.

In one meeting with Nehru, Stalin is indeed said to have remarked, "Your land is ancient, and if you promise not to side with the Americans, I will buy onions from you, in recognition of the intellectual legacy India had left for my country". He did not elaborate on this as the Smirzkoff's research had not achieved much by then. But alas in just two-years time, Prof. Smirzkoff was shovelling permafrost dressed in grey overalls.

This recent discovery should resurrect the pioneering work started by Prof. Varely Smirzkoff, who died of Contracted Poloniumitis of the nose, in 1964.

-- Dr. Acharya Somuchidononanda Pandey
PhD (corres.) M.A.S. University, Darjeeling

**subba** · 10 Jan 07,, 22:49

Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:

...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...

..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment

----

A little stranger than Jules Verne lets say. Some of this stuff puzzles me a bit i must say.

**highsea** · 10 Jan 07,, 23:00

Originally Posted by subba

Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:

Was that originally written in English?

Ancient texts, when translated, cannot escape being injected with the context of the time and place of the translator.

A "column of smoke and flame" might be a volcano.

An "iron thunderbolt" could be an arrow. e.g. Were they even smelting iron when the original text was written? Or is the use of the word "iron" just the closest thing the translation allows?

Point being, one must use caution when interpreting ancient texts with modern translations. One thing can be counted on- the more literal you try to take it, the further from the truth you are likely to be.

**subba** · 10 Jan 07,, 23:30

Mahabharata is originally written in Sanskrit. People in India don't keep it in their homes till this day. It is about a war..a terrible one. Funny thing i notice it's never mentioned as a literary text, it's insisted upon as 'Itihas'..history. Yet it remains one of India's/ Hinduisms most reverred texts. I've found no one yet in India giving me a satisfactory explanation why the Mahabharatha doesn't find a home in an Indian home. As for the translation, the actual Sanskrit verses are much more poignant specially with regard to weaponry. There's really much more and i don't know why just a few verses here and there find an odd mention.

**dave lukins** · 10 Jan 07,, 23:39

Subba,sounds like a typical meteor strike..sonic boom then a strike

**subba** · 10 Jan 07,, 23:56

Dave Sir, the context is only war. Weapons described are given with conditions to the warring parties. Some are based on unexplained yogic powers and activated by mantras. So it's not just a one off verse. I've been trying to figure some sense of it into myself too, but people seem convinced and have been saying consitently that something big did happen many thousands of years ago. Only science is not backing it as yet, not fully. Hence the dilemna and the subsequent confusion.

**Archer** · 11 Jan 07,, 01:58

Originally Posted by omon

The Significance of the Vishnu Idol

The discovery of an ancient Vishnu idol in an excavation in Russia only confirms certain ideas I have always had about our ancient and glorious land and culture.

The report says that the area in which the idol was found is called Staraya Maina. In the Rig Veda, there is a passage that goes, Itham ascati pasyat syantham, ekam mainam starayath kalam. This translates into Staraya Maina is the name of the land of the 45 rivers (on whose banks the noble Rishis conducted the famous Horse Sacrifices), where the sun god descends into one fifty two forty seven. While the first line identifies a location, the second line talks about the exact latitude and longitude at which the solar spectrum produces interference lines at one, fifty two, and forty seven.

The extreme precision of the calculations show the advanced science of the Vedic period, and also a thorough knowledge of SI units (it has been conclusively proven that French scientists stole the system from the Indians.

The discovery of the idol confirms the location in Russia, identified in the Rig Veda as rus soviath sapthamahanagaratham (the ancient and holy land of the 722 flying vehicles). The ancient connections between the Russians and the Indians has been unequivocally confirmed. In Russian orthodox Christianity, worship is conducted very much like in Vishnu temples. The Russians refer to the feast of Vizhnyir Ekoratsya Vikhunh, directly corresponding with Vaikhunda Ekhadasi.

The Russian language also owes a lot to Sanskrit, whose origins 50,000 years ago roughly correspond with the language of the people of the Smritzyi archaeological site, along the banks of the now-dried up Vernstokhlin (Varnasatyakhalini) river system.

It is common knowledge in the archaeological community that the Parashurama Sutra, the basis of all government policy in the erstwhile Kerala kingdom of Vaazhappazhaa, contains the lines Sthulyam Kaamyunishancha kalanam brighahaha. The links between the ancient Russians and Indians almost certainly aided by the 60,00 odd scholars of the University of Vexalate (Sk. Vekhshalatha, Ru. Vekholotsla), in modern-day Central Afghanistan, in the 17th Century BCE, is said to have transferred political ideas through the land of the Vanga (Ru. Vangnya) in modern-day West Bengal.

The Vishnu idol is depicted with a hammer in one left hand while the deconglated seventh arm on the right side holds a reticulated sickle. This hammer and sickle imagery is also found in the Parashurama Sutra, conclusively placing the origin of great and popular Russian political ideology in Vedic India.

The Bringdunthaladeena Upanishad also mentions Kaamyunishcham in its list of land sacrifices, where under the directions of the King, all the land in the country was donated to the performance of sacrifices where Brahmins continuously tickled horny silk-rats (Gandharvamooshicam) until they collapsed in orgiastic exhaustion. The text also clearly identifies a group of scholars referred to as the Paalita Buryam, who oversaw the functioning of the King.

For years, western historical study dominated by Greco-Capitalists, has sought to undermine the Vedic Indian contributions to what came to be 19th and 20th Century world politics. The Greco-Capitalists also attributed the ideology of Communism to the work done by Karl Marx, one of their own. It has been well documented that Marx indeed visited Kerala and West Bengal, and had thorough understanding of the Parashurama Sutra, a copy of which he picked up in the old-book-stall near the Cochin airport. Later on, as part of the larger Greco-centric Capitalist conspiracy, Marx took all the credit himself.

In 1952 in Soviet Russia, an archaeologist, Prof. Varely Smirzkoff of Odessa University found artefacts near the ancient Belarussian town of Kozhikodz. He was the first to speculate that the ruling political ideology of his country could well have had its origins in Vedic India rather than Modern Europe. Stalin funded Smirzkoff's research until Smirrzkoff was suddenly found to have stolen over 500,000 paper clips from work over the course of his tenure at Odessa University. He was sent to Siberia, and with him went almost all academic proof that would have certainly brought Russia and India closer together.

In one meeting with Nehru, Stalin is indeed said to have remarked, "Your land is ancient, and if you promise not to side with the Americans, I will buy onions from you, in recognition of the intellectual legacy India had left for my country". He did not elaborate on this as the Smirzkoff's research had not achieved much by then. But alas in just two-years time, Prof. Smirzkoff was shovelling permafrost dressed in grey overalls.

This recent discovery should resurrect the pioneering work started by Prof. Varely Smirzkoff, who died of Contracted Poloniumitis of the nose, in 1964.

-- Dr. Acharya Somuchidononanda Pandey
PhD (corres.) M.A.S. University, Darjeeling

Hilarious bit of satire. Whoever wrote that has an amazing sense of humour, and is probably an Indian, given the detailed puns on Indian culture he has managed to include.

**Jay** · 11 Jan 07,, 02:01

Originally Posted by dave lukins

Subba,sounds like a typical meteor strike..sonic boom then a strike

Tactical nuke

I mean it can be anything, imagination has no end, but whether its an imagination or has a figment of truth to it, only time will tell.

If we havent figured it out till date, I think we may not be able to find it at all.

**gunnut** · 11 Jan 07,, 02:08

Let's say it's true that ancient India had flying machines and nukes and whatever. How come no one else has seen this? No other ancient cultures ever mentioned encountering flying machines from India. We don't even need words or texts. They could have made models or drawings about these strange craft in the sky.

**Jay** · 11 Jan 07,, 02:17

Originally Posted by omon

The extreme precision of the calculations show the advanced science of the Vedic period, and also a thorough knowledge of SI units (it has been conclusively proven that French scientists stole the system from the Indians.

Thats a known thing. And this is prolly the only truth in the whole article.

The ancient connections between the Russians and the Indians has been unequivocally confirmed. In Russian orthodox Christianity, worship is conducted very much like in Vishnu temples. The Russians refer to the feast of Vizhnyir Ekoratsya Vikhunh, directly corresponding with Vaikhunda Ekhadasi.

The Greco-Capitalists also attributed the ideology of Communism to the work done by Karl Marx, one of their own. It has been well documented that Marx indeed visited Kerala and West Bengal, and had thorough understanding of the Parashurama Sutra,a copy of which he picked up in the old-book-stall near the Cochin airport. Later on, as part of the larger Greco-centric Capitalist conspiracy, Marx took all the credit himself.

In one meeting with Nehru, Stalin is indeed said to have remarked, "Your land is ancient, and if you promise not to side with the Americans, I will buy onions from you, in recognition of the intellectual legacy India had left for my country".

Damn, is this for real

**Tronic** · 11 Jan 07,, 02:50

What about that ancient stone bridge to Sri Lanka??? Was there any such thing??? I have heard rumours that they found one underwater; but thats just word of mouth... anyone know anything about that???

**Tronic** · 11 Jan 07,, 02:55

Originally Posted by gunnut

Let's say it's true that ancient India had flying machines and nukes and whatever. How come no one else has seen this? No other ancient cultures ever mentioned encountering flying machines from India. We don't even need words or texts. They could have made models or drawings about these strange craft in the sky.

1.) This is thousands of years BC we're talking about here... when the Vedas were written, most of the civilizations were still living in caves....

2.) No one is saying for sure that these weapons existed... the wonder is in the imagination. Even if such things did not exist; still quite a wonder to write about planes, bombs dropping from sky and all these different sea vehicles, in that age....