Ruskiy

SU-35 (Russian Experimental Multiporpus Fighter Jet) has teh radar that is getting info from several its own sourses so that bomber hiding think is useles now.

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GGTharos

This is not a new thing you know, such systems have been around since the 60's. What do you think the bomber is hiding from?

omon

i've seen a program on tv about stealth ac, it was said, that cell phone towers, will loose signal for a brif moment when sthealth ac is passing in its range, and if this silence picked up by a few towers, it is possible to detect stealth ac. by lack of signal, or something like that, how true is it, or it's another tv b.s.?

Maximus

Do you really think it is possible to put an infrastructure in place for detection like that? I have a better idea, put motion sensors in place everywhere. Or, passing of a stealth aircraft results in bulging of atmosphere a bit. May be someone could detect that bulge to shoot down the F-22.

Two words dude: Bull ****.

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Jimmy

That's not good enough for any pilot who wants to go home. In the merge there's a lot going on. Its unlikely you have the situational awareness at that moment to simultaneously keep tabs on what the adversary is doing, what his WINGMAN is doing (if you even have the SLIGHTEST idea where he is), cage the IRSTS onto your target with that monstrocity called the HMS AND keep tabs on what's going on inside a Luffberry circle. Which is a purely defensive maneuver unlikely to ever be used again. If "red" has enough aircraft to even get into the formation (which would have to be pretty large due to modern combat speeds) they're likely to heavily outnumber "blue's" forces sufficiently that they dont NEED to defend themselves in such an extreme manner.

Entering into any circle fight, the FSU jet's pilot is looking for a HOB Archer shot. Its a capability the old Sidewinders cant match...you play to your strengths.

GGTharos

First, I'm not debating wether the situation will happen - as far as I am concerned, it HAS happened. You're in a lufberry (which used to be a maneuver/formarion, and now is a situation - you're across the circle from the other guy and neither is gaining). You don't need to cage the IRST - all you have to do is hold down the right switches on the HOTAS and look at the target. The missile will launch the moment its seeker locks on. Yep, it is a feature. Yes, it is real, and I'm quite certain it is in the manual (Either Su-27Sm or MiG manual, I forget which).

So you're in a lufbery, the guy's wingman MAY or may not be around, but whatever you do, you need to kill this guy you're clowing around with now. So you haul on that stick, your missile(s) launch, and hopefuly you hit, and start looking. You're out of options here.

As for the 9 ... it can be launched some 30 deg off-bore cued by radar, in a missile separation maneuver. What the Archer -has- on the 9 at this point isn't the bigger angle (because you could just get your nose on the guy faster in some cases) but smaller Rmin - meaning he could force a tighter separation, his missile will do the maneuver, yours won't. At least, that's the way I was led to believe it works.

urmomma158

More TV bs man there's plenty of hype out there on tv, plus systems like these still have plenty of problems and huge obstacles to overcome. I seriously don't think anyone can support the infrastructure for it. I learned thing or two on these systems from highsea and the problems they face mostly on defencetalk. Don't worry steath aint obsolete and if you look at it closely stealth has been around for almost a century.

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Jimmy

30 OB doesnt compare with the Archer favorably. Granted if you're canopy-to-canopy and through some bizarre act of God nobody's gaining position then it doesnt really matter, but that's unlikely enough that I didnt even consider it.

So ok, I guess its a possibility. But frankly if I were the pilot, I think I'd rather circle in the sun and hope the enemy's radar is looking down while I dive on him ala WWII singing "We live in fame, or go down in flames!"

GGTharos

Would you broadcast the singing to him? :D

Jimmy

Hell yeah, that's going out on UHF Guard!