Top 5 Airforces Of Asia - Page 11

kuku · 06-04-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumku

Know that, but Size also matters.Quantity has a Quality of its own.

Frankly speaking in a One-on-One take between India and Japan[without US support], which AF most likely has the capability to go all the way to the shores of the other country on its own, win and come back? I Guess thats what really should matter when deciding the capability of the AF and not how many Superpowers would come to the rescue of one of the country?

You seriously think that Japan or SouthKorea can do that to India?

Both india and Japan will ride out the imaginary conflict, they do not have the capability to go knocking on each others doors.

Even in this imaginary conflict IAF will be wise enough to keep its assets right here in India instead of taking a symbolic strike all the way to japan, in front of the threat of all the surveillance equipment and subsequently in-coming missiles(shore based, air based and sea based), the same goes for japan, no point comparing these two AFs

Sumku · 06-04-2008, 11:13 AM

Correct Assumption. But this also means that Japan cannot be rated above India under any scenario, as pertains capability and when comparing numbers India has more quantity than Japan so India would be rated above Japan.

Technically speaking for me, I would include Russia to be a part of Asia, so in Asia IAF ranks just after Russia and China.

kuku · 06-04-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lambroast

I would of thought those middle eastern countries are in the middle east, not asia. Do you consider Australia to be in asia or Australasia?
My top 10 would be as follows:

Number 1 China $59 billion
J11-80
J10-90
Su33-2
Su30-100
Su-27-76
J8II-250
J8-50
j7-250

Number 2 Japan $42 billion
F15-136
F4-91
F2-33
F1-23

Number 3 South Korea
F16-153
F5-185
F4-130

Number 4 India $26.5 billion
180-Su30
250-Mig21
Mirage 2000-29
Mig27-110
Mig29
Jaguar is-89

Number 5 Australia $25 billion
F111-42
F/A18-80
Hawk-33

Taiwan would be way above Australia if all we have to do is to count the planes.

India doesn't have 180 Su-30s, not yet(230 will be inducted eventually), and it does not have 250 Mig-21s not anymore, the exact number of MiG-21s is a mystery, no one online seems to know.
The number of Mirage-2000 is around 50, MiG-29s is around 60-65.

I think you missed what is supporting these planes, Indian Air Force might come below a lot of AFs as it lacks any AEW/C&C planes, and the ones on order just got delayed further, recent additions of airborne refueling planes has added some teeth, Another would be the EW/surveillance capability etc. etc.

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-04-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumku

You seriously think that Japan or SouthKorea can do that to India?

Neither can India do that to Japan. Don't know about South Korea but Japan was a front line state against the USSR. South Korea was and is too preocuppied with North Korea. India has never imagined itself against a superpower in WWIII.

Thakur · 06-04-2008, 12:36 PM

80% of chineese fighter planes are straight away ticket to heaven. They cant rely on su27 in case of a war. SU 27 is a good aircraft but this plane can't share all of the burden in case of war. So in my view most of the chineese planes will straight away be shot down in case of war with either India, Japan or Taiwan.

Thakur · 06-04-2008, 12:40 PM

The numbers posted above for chineese aircraft are completely wrong and based on an imagination. Right now china does not have any J-10 nor J-11 Aircraft. Rest Chineese su-27 and su 30 mkk can't stand in front of IAF su 30mki. Even Our yet to be Upgraded Mirage 2000 to a level of Mirage 2000-5 and Upgraded Mig 29 can take on any Fighter Plane that china has. :D

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-04-2008, 12:44 PM

What?

Last I checked there were 4 J-10 regiments and 6 J-11 Regiments.

kuku · 06-04-2008, 13:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumku

Correct Assumption. But this also means that Japan cannot be rated above India under any scenario, as pertains capability and when comparing numbers India has more quantity than Japan so India would be rated above Japan.

Technically speaking for me, I would included Russia to be a part of Asia, so in Asia IAF ranks just after Russia and China.

Well the thing is that a AF to me has to rated on its ability to carry out the required missions.

The Japanese AF element has had a solid AEW/AWAC aircraft element for some time and that gives them an edge as far as defensive operations go.

I think the constitution of Japan has something against ofensive weapons which sounds ironical i mean what is a non offensive weapon, a missile that travels all the way to its target and gives a strong warning before fizzing out ever so quietly ?????

What are the overall capability of japanese air force element to carry out offensive operations?
What planes?
What weapons?
What doctrine?

mxiong · 06-05-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thakur

... Right now china does not have any J-10 nor J-11 Aircraft...

Get your fact straight, idiot...

Sumku · 06-05-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mxiong

Get your fact straight, idiot...

Wordings like these are way too personal. Please try to avoid them.Dont go personal.If you had to make a point you could still have posted what you did without that lone word.

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-05-2008, 13:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumku

Wordings like these are way too personal. Please try to avoid them.Dont go personal.If you had to make a point you could still have posted what you did without that lone word.

I second that. Mxiong, consider this a warning.

Mohan · 06-05-2008, 20:39 PM

I would like to ask. How many pilots are serving there in those countries, where can i search for the information. does any body know about it.

Sumku · 06-07-2008, 09:17 AM

Can anyone have a look at the pics posted above by mxiong and state the AC thats shown here.To me its not anything even close to 4.5 or 4 Gen AC.

Sumku · 06-07-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mohan

I would like to ask. How many pilots are serving there in those countries, where can i search for the information. does any body know about it.

Something tells me its a pretty tough question that you have asked.I tried to Google it out to check for myself, but googling for France,after about 10 different searches, I came across 3 different sites all with Different numbers.

**Officer of Engineers** · 06-07-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumku

Can anyone have a look at the pics posted above by mxiong and state the AC thats shown here.To me its not anything even close to 4.5 or 4 Gen AC.

It's a J-10 regiment.

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06-04-2008, 11:13 AM	#152 (permalink)
Sumku *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-12-08 Location: Allahabad Posts: 986 Country:	Correct Assumption. But this also means that Japan cannot be rated above India under any scenario, as pertains capability and when comparing numbers India has more quantity than Japan so India would be rated above Japan. Technically speaking for me, I would include Russia to be a part of Asia, so in Asia IAF ranks just after Russia and China.

06-04-2008, 12:36 PM	#155 (permalink)
Thakur Banished New Member Join Date: 04-14-08 Location: india Posts: 18 Country:	80% of chineese fighter planes are straight away ticket to heaven. They cant rely on su27 in case of a war. SU 27 is a good aircraft but this plane can't share all of the burden in case of war. So in my view most of the chineese planes will straight away be shot down in case of war with either India, Japan or Taiwan.

06-04-2008, 12:40 PM	#156 (permalink)
Thakur Banished New Member Join Date: 04-14-08 Location: india Posts: 18 Country:	The numbers posted above for chineese aircraft are completely wrong and based on an imagination. Right now china does not have any J-10 nor J-11 Aircraft. Rest Chineese su-27 and su 30 mkk can't stand in front of IAF su 30mki. Even Our yet to be Upgraded Mirage 2000 to a level of Mirage 2000-5 and Upgraded Mig 29 can take on any Fighter Plane that china has. :D

06-04-2008, 12:44 PM	#157 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 17,067 Country:	What? Last I checked there were 4 J-10 regiments and 6 J-11 Regiments.

06-05-2008, 20:39 PM	#162 (permalink)
Mohan Regular Join Date: 06-04-08 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 129 Country:	I would like to ask. How many pilots are serving there in those countries, where can i search for the information. does any body know about it.

06-07-2008, 09:17 AM	#163 (permalink)
Sumku *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-12-08 Location: Allahabad Posts: 986 Country:	Can anyone have a look at the pics posted above by mxiong and state the AC thats shown here.To me its not anything even close to 4.5 or 4 Gen AC.

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