More F 22's required!

urmomma158 · 10-07-2006, 19:48 PM

We need more F22's. Realistically 183 planes won't deter the PLA since that's too little. In a Taiwan strait scenario we need it. China is already pushing forth with S300PMU,S300V and S400 SAMS. Not to mention they havea huge air defense. The JSF could make up for the lack of Spirits and Raptors but I doubt the JSF would arrive in significant numbers and thena gain it's no F 22 substitute.

More on the Chinese SAM buildup.

http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp

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With the advent of the F-4G Wild Weasel IV and EF-111A Raven during the late seventies, the Soviets responded in 1982 with the highly mobile S-300PS/SA-10B (S -Samokhodniy – Self Propelled), which saw the improved Flap Lid B and 5P85 TEL integrated on a 8x8 MAZ-7910, based on the MAZ 543 Scud TEL. The S-300PS is the forerunner of most current S-300PMU/SA-10 variants and a true 'shoot and scoot' system, unlike the Patriot. A key innovation was the new 5V55KD SAM, which introduced a Track Via Missile (TVM) terminal guidance scheme similar to the Patriot, and highly jam resistant.

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The large 9S32 Grill Pan engagement radar is a large X-band phased array with extensive ECCM capabilities, it is supplemented by the 9S15 Obzor 3 / Bill Board acquisition radar and 9S19 Imbir / High Screen ABM acquisition radar. The system uses two hypersonic SAM types, the Novator designed 9M82 Giant long range weapon, and shorter 9M83 Gladiator. Both SAMs use command link and inertial midcourse control with terminal continuous wave semi-active homing, using large illuminator/command link antennas on the 9A82 and 9A83 TELARs. To date the Russians have been claiming the high ground in the ABM market, with the 9M82 and enhanced 9M82M missiles, the latter cited at 108 nmi range. Performance is claimed to be good enough to defeat IRBMs with velocities of 4.5 km/sec.

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t employs a broadband passive anti-radiation seeker with coverage cited between 2 GHz and 18 GHz, with inertial midcourse guidance and memory capability to retain the location of an emitter which shuts down. CPMIEC released images of the antenna array, which used a two axis gimbal and platform with multiple antenna elements, a technique also used in the Russian Kh-31P missile's L-111E passive seeker. The seeker is claimed to include a home-on-jam capability.

Mockups of the missile show the addition of strakes to increase glide range and turn rate during terminal homing. Missiles are carried on an 8x8 WS2400 TEL, and a battery uses four vehicles with ESM receivers used to triangulate the target.

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If the United States wishes to have a credible capability to decisively defeat the PLA's developing SAM force, it will need many more than just 183 F-22A fighters.

The F16 B.60and EA 18G provide a credible jamming force against them but then again we need more.

**astralis** · 10-07-2006, 22:20 PM

exhibit A, gentlemen:

urmomma158, dragon-slayer/china-threater!

it's funny how close both sides are to the their faction on the other side.

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/

urmomma158 · 10-08-2006, 22:47 PM

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Originally Posted by astralis

exhibit A, gentlemen:

urmomma158, dragon-slayer/china-threater!

it's funny how close both sides are to the their faction on the other side.

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/

WTF r u trying to say?!?!??!?!

Im simply advocating the need for more F22's

Tronic · 10-08-2006, 23:07 PM

plus ordering more F-22s will also reduce their cost, no?

glyn · 10-09-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

plus ordering more F-22s will also reduce their cost, no?

No sir, not really. In theory the greater production run should reduce the UNIT cost for each aircraft, but the total FLEET purchase price will be much greater, as will be the operating costs.

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