The F-4 Phantom

troung · 08-18-2003, 00:18 AM

The F-4 Phantom has seen more combat then most other fighters around.

I figure it desevres a thread.

It has fought all around the world.............

Indochina wars (1964-1973)
War of Attrition (1968-1971)
Yom Kipper/Ramhadon War (1973)
USN strikes on Cambodia (1975?)
Greek Turkish Conflicts (1970s-now)
Iranina ops in Oman (1976-1977)
Iranian ops versus Iraq (pre 1980)
Iranian ops versus Kurds (1979-1980)
Iran Iraq war (1980-1988)
Israel vs. Syria (1982)
Israeli ops vs. Hezbollah (1980s)
Operation Desert Storm (1991)
Iranian ops versus Taliban (late 1990s-2001)

Plus other smaller ones.........

Throught is history it has shot down many types of planes...

MiG-17F/PF/J-5 (USA/IDF)
MiG-19/J-6 (USA/IDF/IRIAF)
MiG-21F-13/PF/M/MF/bis (USA/IDF/IRIAF)
MiG-23MS/MF/ML/BN/BK (IRIAF)
Mirage F-1EQ (IRIAF)
MiG-25PD/RB (IRIAF)
Tu-16K (IRIAF)
Tu-22B (IRIAF)
SuE (IRIAF)
J-7B (IRIAF)
Hunter FGA-9 (IRIAF)
Su-7 (IDF/IRIAF)
Su-20/22M-3K/4K (IDF/IRIAF)
Su-25K (IRIAF)
Jaguar Gr.1 (RAF)
Mi-24/25 (IRIAF)
Mi-8/17 (IRIAF)
varouis transports (An-12, An-26)

I'll talk about its upgrades/weapons...........

Greek F-4E PI-2000
APG-65GY radar
AIM-120B/C-5
IRIS-T
AGM-130
AGM-88
AGM-65
AFDS
Laser Guided Bombs

Turkish F-4E 2020 Terminator
M-2032 radar
AIM-7F/M
AIM-9L/M
Popeye I/II
AGM-65
Laser Guided Bombs

Iranian F-4E
APQ-120 (upgraded for longer range)
AIM-7E-4
R-73E
Kh-58
Qadr
Zoobins
AGM-65
Laser Guided Bombs

Iranian F-4D
APQ-109
AIM-7E-4
R-73E
Kh-58
Qadr
Zoobins
AGM-65
Laser Guided Bombs

Japanese F-4EJ Kai
APG-66J
AIM-7F/M
AAM-3
ASM-2
IR Guided Bombs

Israeli F-4E 2000 Kurnass
APG-76
AIM-7F/M
Python 3/4
Popeye
Gabriel
AGM-88
AGM-65
Laser Guided Bombs
IR Guided Bombs

German F-4F
APG-65
AIM-120B
IRIS-T

South Korean F-4E
APQ-120
AIM-7F
AIM-9L/M
Popeye
AGM-65
Laser Guided Bombs

It's neat to note that only 4 nations have fully pulled the F-4 out of service and of those 3 bought (USA/UK/Spain) it and one had it leased (Australia).

Only two nations fly the F-4D (Korea and Iran), while most users fly the F-4E minus of course Germany who uses the F-4F.

bigross86 · 08-18-2003, 03:46 AM

The Kurnass 2000 is currently being upgraded to carry the Python V AAM, though not many flights are going on due to the British embargo on F-4 ejection seats and other parts.

TheBigThug · 08-20-2003, 02:47 AM

UH oh better call UPCO!

bigross86 · 08-20-2003, 07:36 AM

What's UPCO?

2DREZQ · 08-26-2003, 01:25 AM

The Phantom. Proving, once again, that Ugly works, too. (Just like the A-10!)

bigross86 · 08-26-2003, 06:17 AM

Ugly just means more money to make it work, less money to make it pretty...

markaspen · 08-26-2003, 11:25 AM

In flight she isn't ugly. Got buzzed by some in Denver once, for such a large plane she was still graceful. One of my favorite photos is a head-on of two Phantoms landing at an Israeli base with 2-3 pilots holding helmets in the foreground.

Not as graceful as a Mirage, but still pretty.

bigross86 · 08-27-2003, 03:32 AM

About two months ago I saw two F-4's buzz over my house in fingertip formation. They were flying so low I could read the words Kurnass 2000 in Hebrew.

TheBigThug · 08-29-2003, 12:55 PM

UPCO, makes the aces2 ejection seats. Far superior to Martin bakers...

bigross86 · 08-30-2003, 16:25 PM

Funny, I could've sworn the ACES II was made by Martin-Baker. Live and Learn. On the Martin-Baker website there is a little meter that says

Lives saved to date: 7009
Lives saved this year: 36

**TopHatter** · 09-11-2003, 17:29 PM

My uncle was a plane captain on USS Franklin D. Roosevelt for the F-4 Phantoms, VF-14 "The Tophatters"...hence my WAB handle

Hawg166 · 09-11-2003, 22:22 PM

As a former AME in the Navy ( VF14 by the way) and an egress augmentee in my A10 unit I have worked with both the Aces II and the Martin Baker seats. I think you are way off base by saying the Aces II is a far better seat. I think the fact that the F35 JSF is gonna be fitted with Martin baker seats says it all. Yeah the older martin bakers like the GRU models in the F4, F14, A6, EA6B dont have the different ejection modes, but their numbers speak for themselves. With the exception of the Escapac in the S3 I believe the Navy is all Martin Baker.
However having said all that, the best bang seat is actually a Russian seat that is soon to be manufactured here in the god 'ol USA. It is capable of Mach number ejections with a shield for the pilot. I believe it was in competition to be put in the JSF.
Let me do some diggin and I will try and find more details.

Anon · 09-12-2003, 01:40 AM

Hey Hawg166!!!

Good to see you made it over here.

A troop with your sort of experience and knowledge is a great addition indeed to this board.

Thanx for the details bro.

Hawg166 · 09-12-2003, 08:58 AM

A god short article about the K36 seat from Russsia can be found at www.aeronautics.ru/k36d.htm

It is pretty impressive. By the way Hello to all here.

bigross86 · 09-13-2003, 13:06 PM

I like the F-111's escape pod. Only problem is they're cnnon fodder in a heavy SAM/AAA area

08-18-2003, 00:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,236 Country:	The F-4 Phantom The F-4 Phantom has seen more combat then most other fighters around. I figure it desevres a thread. It has fought all around the world............. Indochina wars (1964-1973) War of Attrition (1968-1971) Yom Kipper/Ramhadon War (1973) USN strikes on Cambodia (1975?) Greek Turkish Conflicts (1970s-now) Iranina ops in Oman (1976-1977) Iranian ops versus Iraq (pre 1980) Iranian ops versus Kurds (1979-1980) Iran Iraq war (1980-1988) Israel vs. Syria (1982) Israeli ops vs. Hezbollah (1980s) Operation Desert Storm (1991) Iranian ops versus Taliban (late 1990s-2001) Plus other smaller ones......... Throught is history it has shot down many types of planes... MiG-17F/PF/J-5 (USA/IDF) MiG-19/J-6 (USA/IDF/IRIAF) MiG-21F-13/PF/M/MF/bis (USA/IDF/IRIAF) MiG-23MS/MF/ML/BN/BK (IRIAF) Mirage F-1EQ (IRIAF) MiG-25PD/RB (IRIAF) Tu-16K (IRIAF) Tu-22B (IRIAF) SuE (IRIAF) J-7B (IRIAF) Hunter FGA-9 (IRIAF) Su-7 (IDF/IRIAF) Su-20/22M-3K/4K (IDF/IRIAF) Su-25K (IRIAF) Jaguar Gr.1 (RAF) Mi-24/25 (IRIAF) Mi-8/17 (IRIAF) varouis transports (An-12, An-26) I'll talk about its upgrades/weapons........... Greek F-4E PI-2000 APG-65GY radar AIM-120B/C-5 IRIS-T AGM-130 AGM-88 AGM-65 AFDS Laser Guided Bombs Turkish F-4E 2020 Terminator M-2032 radar AIM-7F/M AIM-9L/M Popeye I/II AGM-65 Laser Guided Bombs Iranian F-4E APQ-120 (upgraded for longer range) AIM-7E-4 R-73E Kh-58 Qadr Zoobins AGM-65 Laser Guided Bombs Iranian F-4D APQ-109 AIM-7E-4 R-73E Kh-58 Qadr Zoobins AGM-65 Laser Guided Bombs Japanese F-4EJ Kai APG-66J AIM-7F/M AAM-3 ASM-2 IR Guided Bombs Israeli F-4E 2000 Kurnass APG-76 AIM-7F/M Python 3/4 Popeye Gabriel AGM-88 AGM-65 Laser Guided Bombs IR Guided Bombs German F-4F APG-65 AIM-120B IRIS-T South Korean F-4E APQ-120 AIM-7F AIM-9L/M Popeye AGM-65 Laser Guided Bombs It's neat to note that only 4 nations have fully pulled the F-4 out of service and of those 3 bought (USA/UK/Spain) it and one had it leased (Australia). Only two nations fly the F-4D (Korea and Iran), while most users fly the F-4E minus of course Germany who uses the F-4F.

08-18-2003, 03:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	The Kurnass 2000 is currently being upgraded to carry the Python V AAM, though not many flights are going on due to the British embargo on F-4 ejection seats and other parts. __________________ You're a naughty girl, go to my room!

08-20-2003, 02:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
TheBigThug *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-13-03 Posts: 30	UH oh better call UPCO! __________________ "Pork, The Arab Kryptonite"

08-26-2003, 01:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
2DREZQ Contributor Join Date: 08-04-03 Posts: 702	The Phantom. Proving, once again, that Ugly works, too. (Just like the A-10!) __________________ USS North Dakota

08-26-2003, 11:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
markaspen Regular Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 51	In flight she isn't ugly. Got buzzed by some in Denver once, for such a large plane she was still graceful. One of my favorite photos is a head-on of two Phantoms landing at an Israeli base with 2-3 pilots holding helmets in the foreground. Not as graceful as a Mirage, but still pretty. __________________ Pa'am Tzanhan, Tamid Tzanhan.

08-20-2003, 07:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	What's UPCO?

08-26-2003, 06:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	Ugly just means more money to make it work, less money to make it pretty...

08-27-2003, 03:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	About two months ago I saw two F-4's buzz over my house in fingertip formation. They were flying so low I could read the words Kurnass 2000 in Hebrew.

08-29-2003, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
TheBigThug *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-13-03 Posts: 30	UPCO, makes the aces2 ejection seats. Far superior to Martin bakers...

08-30-2003, 16:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	Funny, I could've sworn the ACES II was made by Martin-Baker. Live and Learn. On the Martin-Baker website there is a little meter that says Lives saved to date: 7009 Lives saved this year: 36

09-11-2003, 17:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
TopHatter Administrator Join Date: 09-03-03 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 9,693 Country:	My uncle was a plane captain on USS Franklin D. Roosevelt for the F-4 Phantoms, VF-14 "The Tophatters"...hence my WAB handle __________________ If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader. ~John Quincy Adams

09-11-2003, 22:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hawg166 Regular Join Date: 09-10-03 Location: Western Mass.....with the injuns Posts: 112	As a former AME in the Navy ( VF14 by the way) and an egress augmentee in my A10 unit I have worked with both the Aces II and the Martin Baker seats. I think you are way off base by saying the Aces II is a far better seat. I think the fact that the F35 JSF is gonna be fitted with Martin baker seats says it all. Yeah the older martin bakers like the GRU models in the F4, F14, A6, EA6B dont have the different ejection modes, but their numbers speak for themselves. With the exception of the Escapac in the S3 I believe the Navy is all Martin Baker. However having said all that, the best bang seat is actually a Russian seat that is soon to be manufactured here in the god 'ol USA. It is capable of Mach number ejections with a shield for the pilot. I believe it was in competition to be put in the JSF. Let me do some diggin and I will try and find more details.

09-12-2003, 01:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Hey Hawg166!!! Good to see you made it over here. A troop with your sort of experience and knowledge is a great addition indeed to this board. Thanx for the details bro.

09-12-2003, 08:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
Hawg166 Regular Join Date: 09-10-03 Location: Western Mass.....with the injuns Posts: 112	A god short article about the K36 seat from Russsia can be found at www.aeronautics.ru/k36d.htm It is pretty impressive. By the way Hello to all here.

09-13-2003, 13:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	I like the F-111's escape pod. Only problem is they're cnnon fodder in a heavy SAM/AAA area

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