PubFather

In STAN's defense, I believe he was being tongue-in-cheek. Although you are entirely right to point out weapons dont mean anything without the will to use them...

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highsea

I stand corrected.

Sorry, STAN.

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gunnut

An oppressive religious theocracy?

Between that and the commies, I realy have no preference.

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Stan

it was tongue in cheek.

but agian i think that a united states of europe would be a good thing. dont worry though when im pres of europe well be up for some action.

you cant say that the british arent up for a fight most of the time

come on your argies give us a reason

cobra226

It all depends on the tactical situation. Remember, stealth is never 100%. The serbs shot down a 117 while it was raining about 10 years ago.....if the serbs could do it, chances are our allies (Germany, France, Britain) can anyway. The Raptor and the Typhoon were made for different missions, and therefore where one exceeds, the other one lags, and vice versa. The F22 is also much more expensive (initial purchase, and maintenance) than the Typhoon. And the Typhoon is also made to have an active life of 45 years.

In short, since only our allies have the Typhoon, and we have the Raptor, they will be used to back each other up in combat......and I would love to see any other air force on this planet match a team like that........that will never happen!

Silent Hunter

The F-117 incident was, as mentioned here a while ago, because the Americans were careless and the Serbs spammed the place with missiles.

gunnut

I've never heard "spam" and "missile" in the same sentence before.

Jimmy

Nor have I, but I like it!

Bella

Like everyone said before, the U.S. was flying the same route every night and the Serbs got lucky. If the Serbs are so awesome and great at detecting stealth, then why haven't they been trying to sell their info?

Feanor

If anyone tried massive airstrikes in Central Russia the term would quickly come into being.....

Expat Canuck

That's because you don't like video games IIRC.

avon1944

The best illustration that the F-117 had the misfortune of flying into the same target area at the same time using the same flight path was the reality that no other stealth aircraft were shot down. The loss of the F-117 was on the fourth night in a seventy plus day bombing campaign. It is as Silent Hunter said.
B-1's (with their reduced RCS), B-2's, and F-117's bombed continuously and no further losses occurred. There was no change or improvement in technology that allowed a SAM-3 Goa to shoot down the F-117 which was only 13km away. The F-117 flew almost directly over the mobile radar site that locked onto it.
The controlling AWACS's ESM gear did detect the mobile radar site that had just become active and warned the pilot of the F-117. The pilot thought it would alright to continue.
Stealth does not provide invincibility, it does inject the element of surprise back into aerial combat.

Adrian

HistoricalDavid

Christ, sometimes I wonder how sore we'll all get repeating that explanation before the world finally gets it.

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Shamus

I believe we should coin a new term for this tactic....how about "Spissiling"?

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