MiG-23 vs F-14A

**~~Feanor~~** · 12 Oct 07,, 11:21

Gah more necrophilia. Goddamnit lay off them dead grandmas.

**Ophir** · 12 Oct 07,, 12:03

Originally Posted by Feanor

Gah more necrophilia. Goddamnit lay off them dead grandmas.

No way! She's almost fresh, mid-September fer chrissake!

**Repatriated Canuck** · 13 Oct 07,, 06:34

Originally Posted by gunnut

OK, a slight modification:

US makes everyone look either poorly trained or ill-equiped, in some cases, both, but not all the time, only mostly, somewhat, but definitely the ones we go to war with...

Nice recovery!

**Levsha** · 13 Oct 07,, 14:16

Originally Posted by Ophir

Were the Iranians able to use Phoenix missiles against Iraqi planes?

They certainly were, and I see no reason why they shouldn't have been able to, inspite of complete loss of support from the original manufacturer and supplying country (USA). The same goes for all the other equipment and aircraft supplied to Iran in the seventies, albeit with reduced readiness capabilities.

acig.org have done possibly the best research into the matter, here's their list of Iranian air force kills during the war:

Iranian Air-to-Air Victories 1976-1981

Iranian Air-to-Air Victories, 1982-Today

**Ophir** · 14 Oct 07,, 11:23

Originally Posted by Levsha

They certainly were, and I see no reason why they shouldn't have been able to, inspite of complete loss of support from the original manufacturer and supplying country (USA). The same goes for all the other equipment and aircraft supplied to Iran in the seventies, albeit with reduced readiness capabilities.

acig.org have done possibly the best research into the matter, here's their list of Iranian air force kills during the war:

Iranian Air-to-Air Victories 1976-1981

Iranian Air-to-Air Victories, 1982-Today

Thank you very much; a magnificent website overall, I'd say.

**Gun Grape** · 14 Oct 07,, 22:36

Originally Posted by Levsha

acig.org have done possibly the best research into the matter, here's their list of Iranian air force kills during the war:

Iranian Air-to-Air Victories 1976-1981

Iranian Air-to-Air Victories, 1982-Today

I think that ACIG has some of the best databases around and some really good articles.

That said, I take Tom Coopers Iran data with a huge grain of salt. A lot of the claims in that section cannot be verified and differ from what outside sources say. It seems that he listened to every pilot claim and took it as fact. Even when there was much evidence against the claim.

When Iraqi war records, Saudi AWACs and American AWACs(lots of people kept a wide open set of eyes on that war) logs say that 1 plane was lost but the iranians claimed they shot down 5, Mr Cooper went with 5.

An example, the pilot that claimed to shoot down 4 iraqi planes with 1 phoenix missile.

**avon1944** · 09 Nov 07,, 18:35

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

I take Tom Coopers Iran data with a huge grain of salt. A lot of the claims in that section cannot be verified and differ from what outside sources say.

A lot of Tom's are NOT disputed in interviews with former Iraqi pilots.

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

the pilot that claimed to shoot down 4 iraqi planes with 1 phoenix missile.

The actual claim is three aircraft that went down due a successful Phoenix Missile intercept. I wish I could say that is the strangest thing in aerial warfare.

Adrian

**Favioalex** · 29 Dec 07,, 23:09

Originally Posted by Blademaster

I thought Iranian F-14s were never restored to operational status after the 1979 Revolution since the Grunman maintenance techs purposedfully sabotaged crucial parts.

they did combat against irak.and they kick the iraki planes all the time