Strange designations - Page 4

Amaterasu · 05-16-2006, 13:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus

A patrol unit would essentially have the capability to attack the hostiles. That holds true for historical & modern warfare.

well P 3s do carry harpoons and MK 46s dont they?

hello · 05-16-2006, 13:31 PM

Not CAP. CAP and Patrol are two totally different things. In the case of the P-3, this means maritime patrol, which means flying randomly over the sea looking for and identifying any ships, boats and submarines it comes across. If it finds a boat or something or a disress call, they can vector Seakings to the area of the problem and coordinate a rescue. In a wartime situation, if they find any hostile ship or submarine, they'll attack it with the Harpoon missiles, torpedos and depth charges which they usually carry inside a bomb bay and try to destroy it or send it away. If they find a civilian or friendly ship which is OK, they simply fly by. CAP, OTOH, is fighters flying a path around airbases or any regions that they are to protect and attack any enemy fighters which try to threaten friendly aircraft and ground forces.

Maximus · 05-16-2006, 13:32 PM

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Originally Posted by STIG

well P 3s do carry harpoons and MK 46s dont they?

Yes, they do indeed. But can you still consider them calling a Patrol a/c. Moreover, would the AF choose an aircraft with a crew of 10-12 people for anti-ship patrol missions?

An F-18 or even an F-16 could get the job done much easily!

Maximus · 05-16-2006, 13:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hello

Not CAP. CAP and Patrol are two totally different things. In the case of the P-3, this means maritime patrol, which means flying randomly over the sea looking for and identifying any ships, boats and submarines it comes across. If it finds a boat or something or a disress call, they can vector Seakings to the area of the problem and coordinate a rescue. In a wartime situation, if they find any hostile ship or submarine, they'll attack it with the Harpoon missiles, torpedos and depth charges which they usually carry inside a bomb bay and try to destroy it or send it away. If they find a civilian or friendly ship which is OK, they simply fly by. CAP, OTOH, is fighters flying a path around airbases or any regions that they are to protect and attack any enemy fighters which try to threaten friendly aircraft and ground forces.

Got the point!

Amaterasu · 05-16-2006, 13:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximus

Yes, they do indeed. But can you still consider them calling a Patrol a/c. Moreover, would the AF choose an aircraft with a crew of 10-12 people for anti-ship patrol missions?

An F-18 or even an F-16 could get the job done much easily!

Quote:

The Lockheed P-3 Orion is a maritime patrol aircraft of the United States military used primarily for maritime patrol, reconnaissance, and anti-submarine warfare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-3_Orion

Maximus · 05-16-2006, 13:40 PM

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Originally Posted by STIG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-3_Orion

I agree with what you are saying.

But I don't think we should totally rely on information at that page!

It states the range as 9000 KM!

Globalsecurity.org fas.org state the a/c range at less than half of that.

Amaterasu · 05-16-2006, 13:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximus

I agree with what you are saying.

But I don't think we should totally rely on information at that page!

It states the range as 9000 KM!

Globalsecurity.org fas.org state the a/c range at less than half of that.

Quote:

Ferry range 4,830 nmi / 8944.4 km

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...=0&ti=0&sc=400

got it from the official LM site

gunnut · 05-16-2006, 13:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hello

That's true. Notice the names of all Russian and Chinese fighters start with "F", bombers with "B", helcopters with "H" and transport with "C". The only deviation is the fact that attack planes are also "F". Space planes are "S".

MiG-21 Fishbed
MiG-23, 27 Flogger
MiG-25 Foxbat
MiG-29 Fulcrum
MiG-31 Foxhound
Su-27, 30, 35, 37 Flanker
Su-32, 34 Fullback
Su-25, 39 Frogfoot
Su-24 Fencer
J-8 Finback

MiG-105 Spiral

Tu-22 Blinder
Tu-22M Backfire
Tu-160 Blackjack

An-72 Coaler
An-124 Condor
An-225 Cossack

J-10, Su-47 haven't been named yet.

There's a simple explanation for this.

These are NATO designations. It was decided to give code names to all Soviet planes to make them easier to identify and remember since it was a very secret regime and info was scarce.

F for fighter
B for bomber
C for cargo
H for helo

ONE syllable for propeller
TWO syllables for jet

Bear = propeller bomber
Fishbed = jet fighter
Colt = propeller cargo

**TopHatter** · 05-16-2006, 14:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

ONE syllable for propeller
TWO syllables for jet

I knew it was something like that, just read it forever and a day ago.

But that's for fixed-wing aircraft only I'm guessing.

What about helos, which seem to be a blend of one and two syllable names.

Helix and Hind
Hormone and Havoc

Perhaps two syllable for naval helos and one for land-based?

gunnut · 05-16-2006, 14:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TopHatter

I knew it was something like that, just read it forever and a day ago.

But that's for fixed-wing aircraft only I'm guessing.

What about helos, which seem to be a blend of one and two syllable names.

Helix and Hind
Hormone and Havoc

Perhaps two syllable for naval helos and one for land-based?

That I'm not quite sure of.

Havoc is a land based attack helo and so is Hind. Hormone and Helix are both naval....

**TopHatter** · 05-16-2006, 14:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

That I'm not quite sure of.

Havoc is a land based attack helo and so is Hind. Hormone and Helix are both naval....

Right! Would tend to make sense I guess, though I don't know of any other Soviet naval helos, just those.

One syllable for Mil and two for Kamov? (just ignore the Mi-2, just your imagination that it's even on that list

)

Mi-1 Hare
Mi-2 Hoplite
Mi-4 Hound
Mi-6 Hook
Mi-8 Hip
Mi-14 Haze
Mi-17 Hip H
Mi-24 Hind
Mi-25 Hind D
Mi-26 Halo
Mi-28 Havoc
Mi-35 Hind E/F

Ka-25 Hormone
Ka-27 Helix
Ka-28 Helix
Ka-29 Helix
Ka-31
Ka-32 Helix
Ka-50 Hokum
Ka-52 Hokum B
Ka-60 Kasatka
Ka-62 Kasatka

PubFather · 05-16-2006, 14:57 PM

Erm doesnt Havoc have 2 syllables?

Gun Grape · 05-16-2006, 17:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

Whats the "OV" significance in OV-10 Bronco and OV-22 Osprey?

OV-10 Observation Short takeoff/landing

There is no OV-22

There is a CV-22 (navy/Air Force) and a MV-22 (USMC)

C= cargo
M= multimission

V=Vert/Short takeoff landing

Gun Grape · 05-16-2006, 18:09 PM

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Originally Posted by STIG

Q: What does 'Y' mean in YF 23 ?

thanks in advance

The Y is a Status prefix. It stands for Prototype

The others are: (sorry about not including them in my list

)

G - Permanently Grounded
J - Special Test, Temporary
N - Special Test, Permanent
X - Experimental
Y - Prototype
Z - Planning

Gun Grape · 05-16-2006, 18:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus

Yes, they do indeed. But can you still consider them calling a Patrol a/c. Moreover, would the AF choose an aircraft with a crew of 10-12 people for anti-ship patrol missions?

An F-18 or even an F-16 could get the job done much easily!

Well the USAF plane that is tasked with maritime patrol/antishipping and mining operations is the B-52

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05-16-2006, 13:31 PM	#47 (permalink)
hello Contributor Join Date: 05-31-05 Posts: 683	Not CAP. CAP and Patrol are two totally different things. In the case of the P-3, this means maritime patrol, which means flying randomly over the sea looking for and identifying any ships, boats and submarines it comes across. If it finds a boat or something or a disress call, they can vector Seakings to the area of the problem and coordinate a rescue. In a wartime situation, if they find any hostile ship or submarine, they'll attack it with the Harpoon missiles, torpedos and depth charges which they usually carry inside a bomb bay and try to destroy it or send it away. If they find a civilian or friendly ship which is OK, they simply fly by. CAP, OTOH, is fighters flying a path around airbases or any regions that they are to protect and attack any enemy fighters which try to threaten friendly aircraft and ground forces.

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