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... which continues unceased.

MiG-105, Uragan, BOR-5, LKS, etc. have never flown and you have given no sources about them flying above Mach 6 or flying at all. When it comes to pure speed, try an STS Space Shuttle(Atlantis, Discovery, Endeavour) with a reentry sequence of Mach-20+ and even better try the probe Stardust which raced and caught up to a comet and hung on for a while as well before turning back. That's a feat no Russian air/spacecraft has ever done.

Back to Earth, Foxbat(again) can only hit Mach 3 in an emergency, self-destruct run away, where it's engines can only last until it's landing or even less before getting completely scorched. SR-71 Blackbird, on the other hand, cruises at Mach 3.2 at a minimum of 70000 ft. Who says the MiG-25 can fight while the Blackbird can't? The A-12 Oxcart interceptor was fully armed with missiles for super quick scrambling intercept purposes. So far, the fastest "real" aircraft remains the SR-71 and it's variants, the A-12 and YF-12, which all can reach Mach 3.35. As of bomber-launched aircraft, there's the Mach-6 X-15 and Mach-10 X-43, both of which have had proven flights while the MiG105, uragan, BOR-5 haven't flown.

highsea

Well stated. As a fighter, it's a death trap, and 10 of them have been shot down making that point. The reason it worked for India was because Pakistan had nothing to counter it. I don't think it ever ventured into China's airspace though...Likewise, the other operators of the type do not try to employ them against more technolocically advanced enemies.

The SR-71 had to fly over Russia, which was much more heavily defended than Pakistan and required a much more capable platform. And when those flights became too dangerous, we stopped them as well. There's a reason the IAF is retiring them now, and that's because the IAF can no longer count on them going unchallenged. It's a completely sensible decision.

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gunnut

Mig 25 was never a fighter. It's designed as an interceptor. Actually, it was designed as a missile carrier guided by ground control. The pilot takes off, follows instructions to the target, fires missiles, then lands. If it had to fight another fighter as in make some maneuvers, it would be dead in 2 min.

It was still an extraordinary machine though, for the technology behind it was fairly crude. It served well as a recon platform. It would be adequate as a missile carrier. But fighter, it was not.

Captain Drunk

One thing must be understood, if the Mig-25R didn't fly at Mach 3.2, the IAF would not have bought them. Truth is when it comes to Foxbats, the buck stops with the IAF simply because they know better. If you want to call a spade a spade, then the Mig-25 is more of an Mach 3+ fighter than the A-12 is an interceptor, simple because the Oxcart was just a concept as much as Russia's Uragan manned 'space interceptor' with space-to-space missiles was.

There is more detailed information showing how SR-71 could fly at a lesser max. speed of Mach 3.3 for extended periods, and could not exceed Mach 3.44 in any currently known configuration upon which the engine enters a state of "unstart", its airframe heats up and gets disfigured, etc., than the info on Foxbats engines burning out. Foxbat was also more economical, Russia could afford 1200 of which 75% were interceptors while US could only afford 32 SR-71s if I'm not mistaken.

Captain Drunk

So an F/A-18 EF or a modified WW I Barnstormer strung with AMRAAMs could very well intercept an SR-71 or a Mig-25R flying at Mach 3

How dumb

gunnut

Did I say straight and level?

No.

I said "If it had to fight another fighter as in make some maneuvers, it would be dead in 2 min."

Slow the Foxbat down to subsonic speed and tangle with a Hornet. I can bet the Hornet will get a lock on the Bat inside 2 min and it would not be able to shake it off.

urmomma158

Do u have any proof that the IAF wouldnt buy them if they couldnt do mach 3.2 mach2.8 is still great anyway. At mach 3.2 it will burn out and crash sometimes it will get lucky though. What's the big deal it cant cruise at those sppeds for an extended period and only sustain it for a short burst whats the point the only thing you'll have is altitude. NAyways that didnt save it from the F15's which slaughtered the Foxbats when Israel took them out. the A 12 and Sr 71 can be modified to carry AAMS and take out the Foxbat. Dont get me wrong its a great plane but dont overhype it.

The_Burning_Kid

You are incredibally stupid. The A-12 (actually the YF-12 since the A-12 was a single-seat version for the CIA which was retired when the USAF took over the job with the more capable two-seat SR-71) was actually a flying plane, not some concept. Hell I can go get some paper and write on it "F-458 Kool! Flies Mach 10!" and say that it is feasible with your logic. Also, the SR-71 cost more than the MiG-25 because 1) it was more advanced, 2) it was made out of more expensive materials that let it actually cruise at that speed and 3) it had sensors that were extremely costly for its spy missions. The MiG-25 can do a short burst above Mach 3 for a couple of minutes while a SR-71 can sustain Mach 3 for long periods of times.

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indianguy4u

How many recce Foxbats were lost? If i am right, then none. Only fighter varients were lost. So we can conclude that none had answer for recce capabilities of foxbats incld pakistan. Also only one mission on pakistan was in open source due to sonic booms over islamabad, that means that all the other missions though paf knew it were their, but couldnt do anything about. And hence still classified. Same could be assumed for china taking into consideration its range. Does china has some missiles in its armoury that could intercept foxbats?

Plz quote its non IFR range for SR-71.

The reason for IAF to discontinuing foxbats is {acc to newsreports & BR} lack of or difficulties in procuring the spareparts & High hrs on the airframes. BTW, Russia had forwarded to IAF that inexchange of Mig25s, they are willing to give Mig31s, but IAF thinks that satellites are way to go.

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Captain Drunk

For a Mig-25PD Foxbat-E, an A-12 would have a "0" chance. They have been spanked out of Soviet airspace everytime they come into contact with an opposing Foxbat. A-12 wasn't even used in combat or overflew Russia.

First flying in 1962 A-12's initially flew with J75 engines (17,000 lbs. thrust each, much less than Foxbats), as the more powerful (31,500 and later 34,500 lbs. thrust) J58s were not yet available due to development problems. These J75-engined aircraft were only capable of approximately Mach 2.0. So had a J75 engined A-12 been flying today, it would be cannon fodder for an F/A-18 EF, which is a better dogfighter

Later the J75 engines were replaced with the J58's as the new engines became available, with the exception of the A-12 trainer "Titanium Goose," which retained the J75 powerplants for its entire service life. All those engined with the Pratt & Whitney J58 engines were capable of only Mach 3.2. At this rate a Foxhound's AA-9 Amos with Mach 4+ speed would take down the SR-71. Blackbirds weren't ever made to track, lock on, shoot or destroy enemy fighters much like F-14s or F-15s, neither an SR-71 nor A-12 stands a chance against any current Foxbat or Foxhound made today. Every Blackbird driver would be completely aware of that little fact.

At Mach 3.3 the A-12's getting nowhere. Foxbat has the advantage in playing cat-N-mouse with the Blackbird. Its safer for the unarmed SR-71 to speed away at Mach 3.5 thats if its airframe doesn't rupture rather than an A-12 to dogfight at a max. of Mach 3.3, because it has no chance. The only way SR-71 could "intercept" a Mig-25 would be by trailing its path and crashing into it

Anon

Drunk, you are like a spigot of endless stupidity.

Well, at least you've found your calling...

Captain Drunk

What stupidity? I'm just stressing on the clear-cutting facts of the Foxbat. You're the one saying an SR-71 could fly well above 150,000 ft. over every nook and cranny of Russia when infact it doesn't have the range and still others ridiculuously stating its max. speed is beyond Mach 4!

The_Burning_Kid

Do you even read? I said the YF-12 (interceptor version of the A-12 and SR-71) is far better than the MiG-25 or MiG-31. Not only can it outrun the MiG-25/31, its avionics, weaponry, and overall performance was far greater than either of those two birds.

Anon

It probably can hit 150k feet in a climb. It CRUISES at 100k plus at Mach 3. Pull into an optimal energy efficient climb at that inital altitude and velocity, and you are going to get WAY the FUCCK UP THERE before you run out of velocity!

The SR-71 flying over the polar cap with Inflight refueling and touching down in Turkey can COMPLETELY overfly the N-S distance of Russia. Look at a map and do the math.

The max absolute speed of Mach 3.44 you listed for SR-71 is probably pretty close to the truth.

urmomma158

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