2008 Election | The Pub | The Field Mess | The Staff College | Bookmark WAB


Go Back   World Affairs Board > Military Forums > Military Aviation
Register FAQ WAB RSS Feed Forum GuidelinesMembers List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Greetings, and welcome to the World Affairs Board!

The World Affairs Board is one of the premier forums for the discussion of the pressing geopolitical issues of our time. Topics include foreign & defense policy, international security, military developments, weapons proliferation, terrorism, international strategic affairs, and politics. Our membership includes many from military, defense industry, and government backgrounds with expert knowledge on a wide range of topics. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so why not register a World Affairs Board account and join our community today?
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-27-2006, 00:49 AM   #76 (permalink)
Anon
New Member
 
Join Date: 08-03-03
Posts: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Drunk
Still, as a fighter plane, Foxbat is the fastest and holds the ultimate highest altitude record of 123,524 feet (37.65 km). And If you're talking of speed and height with the X-15, then the MiG-105 "Spiral" beats that too at Mach 8. Yet another Mig to boot!
According to the guiness book of world records:

Fastest aircraft with air-breathing engine
On November 16, 2004, NASA's (USA) unmanned Hyper-X (X-43A) aircraft reached Mach 9.68, almost ten times the speed of sound. The X-43A was boosted to an altitude of 33,000 m (115,000 ft) by a Pegasus rocket launched from beneath a B52-B aircraft. The revolutionary 'scramjet' aircraft then successfully burned its engine before plunging into the Pacific Ocean.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...recordid=60157

And:

"Fastest Winged Aircraft
On October 3, 1967, an X-15A-2 piloted by USAF Major William J. "Pete" Knight, was released from its B-52 mother plane at 10,668 m. (35,000 ft.) above the Mojave Desert where it achieved an absolute speed record of Mach 6.7."
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...recordid=54497

According to Encyclopedia Astronautica(or any of the three other sites i checked) the "Mig-105 Spiral" achieved no great speeds. No mention of any sort of speed records is mentioned AT ALL on any of those sites.
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/mig10511.htm
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 13:32 PM   #77 (permalink)
urmomma158
the real plastic
Senior Contributor
 
urmomma158's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-05-06
Location: NJ Turnpike
Posts: 937
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Drunk
Still, as a fighter plane, Foxbat is the fastest and holds the ultimate highest altitude record of 123,524 feet (37.65 km). And If you're talking of speed and height with the X-15, then the MiG-105 "Spiral" beats that too at Mach 8. Yet another Mig to boot!
lol! You make me laugh the Mig 25 doesnt have a ceiling that high. Anyway do you have any sources to back up your statement there Drunk or are you going to spit more BS like you always do. The HyperX is Mach, 10 stick that up your *****. Besides F 15's have proven superior by shooting down Foxbats please go away.
urmomma158 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 16:54 PM   #78 (permalink)
Jimmy
Military Professional
 
Join Date: 11-16-05
Posts: 929
Country:
He hasnt given any credible sources yet, why start now?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Drunk
Still, as a fighter plane, Foxbat is the fastest and holds the ultimate highest altitude record of 123,524 feet (37.65 km). And If you're talking of speed and height with the X-15, then the MiG-105 "Spiral" beats that too at Mach 8. Yet another Mig to boot!
"Fighter" is a relative term. The Foxbat and Foxhound are interceptors, nothing more, nothing less. They're very capable interceptors, nothing more, nothing less.
Jimmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 17:18 PM   #79 (permalink)
Maximus
OMGWTFPWNED!
Senior Contributor
 
Maximus's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-31-04
Location: India
Posts: 876
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Drunk
Still, as a fighter plane, Foxbat is the fastest and holds the ultimate highest altitude record of 123,524 feet (37.65 km). And If you're talking of speed and height with the X-15, then the MiG-105 "Spiral" beats that too at Mach 8. Yet another Mig to boot!
Where do you get your facts from??
__________________
Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage.
Maximus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 17:31 PM   #80 (permalink)
Anon
New Member
 
Join Date: 08-03-03
Posts: 0
He's right about that one:

Military aircraft absolote altitude record(non level flight):
"Height (ft)....Date.............Plane type.............Pilot.........
123,523.58 Aug. 31, 1977 MIG-25E-266M , Alexander Fedotov(USSR) , Country: USSR"
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004556.html

However, that is one of many altitude records, and it is the only one held by the Mig25.

For instance:

Military aircraft absolute altitude level flight:
Height (ft).........Date ........Plane type ...........Pilot ......................Place
85,068.997 July 28, 1976 SR71 Capt. Robert C. Helt (USAF) Beale AFB, Calif.

Absolute altitude, carrier-airplane launched:
X-15, 314,750 feet, July 1967

Last edited by Anon : 04-27-2006 at 17:37 PM.
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 17:43 PM   #81 (permalink)
gunnut
Senior Contributor
 
gunnut's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-27-06
Location: DPRK, Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia
Posts: 9,365
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by M21Sniper
Military aircraft absolute altitude level flight:
Height (ft).........Date ........Plane type ...........Pilot ......................Place
85,068.997 July 28, 1976 SR71 Capt. Robert C. Helt (USAF) Beale AFB, Calif.
And that's only the disclosed number. SR-71's absolute performance numbers are still top secret.
gunnut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 17:54 PM   #82 (permalink)
Anon
New Member
 
Join Date: 08-03-03
Posts: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnut
And that's only the disclosed number. SR-71's absolute performance numbers are still top secret.
The absolute max altitude of SR-71 in a climb is probably well in excess of 150,000 feet. Of course...that is just a guess.
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 18:06 PM   #83 (permalink)
highsea
Defense Professional
 
highsea's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-10-04
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,478
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Drunk
...the MiG-105 "Spiral" beats that too at Mach 8. Yet another Mig to boot!
Lol. Another MiG concept, you mean.

Only one subsonic scale model ever actually flew...

*yawn*
__________________
My baby called me up. She said- Why don't you ever take me out? Pick me up in your brand new car....You shake the short change from the old fruit jar...
highsea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2006, 22:08 PM   #84 (permalink)
urmomma158
the real plastic
Senior Contributor
 
urmomma158's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-05-06
Location: NJ Turnpike
Posts: 937
Country:
Besides it cant touch the HyperX or X 15 for that matter.
urmomma158 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2006, 01:04 AM   #85 (permalink)
lemontree
Bandaid
Military Professional
 
Join Date: 10-04-04
Location: India
Posts: 5,916
Gents,
We are arguing over a silly issue. The thread was about bidding farewell by the IAF to its spy planes. Till the comparision started with the SR-71. IMO, both planes MiG-25 and SR-71 were excellent spy planes. The Mig-25 was the poor mans SR-71, and it worked well till some AFs decided to use them as fighters, thats when its record got tarnished. The Mig-25 recce flights for IAF have been very successful and we are grateful for the service the plane rendered us.
__________________

Cheers!...on the rocks!!
lemontree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2006, 01:30 AM   #86 (permalink)
Anon
New Member
 
Join Date: 08-03-03
Posts: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemontree
Gents,
We are arguing over a silly issue. The thread was about bidding farewell by the IAF to its spy planes. Till the comparision started with the SR-71. IMO, both planes MiG-25 and SR-71 were excellent spy planes. The Mig-25 was the poor mans SR-71, and it worked well till some AFs decided to use them as fighters, thats when its record got tarnished. The Mig-25 recce flights for IAF have been very successful and we are grateful for the service the plane rendered us.
Everyone was just responding vigorously to an attempt to poison the board with Russian KooLAiD.
Anon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2006, 03:01 AM   #87 (permalink)
Serbianpsyco
Regular
 
Join Date: 04-19-06
Posts: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by urmomma158
You're such a dumbass globalsecurity states its top speed is mach 2.5. Well PAF pilots arent as good as Israeli pilots and you seem to forget the PAF has no amraams or sparrows jackass only aim 9 sidewinders. The Sr 71 is considered the fastest and highest flying jet so please stop the nonsense. Not to mention no amraams were allowed in cope india and you guys have longer range heat missiles. Besides thats all rusky equipment i should be giving most of the credit to the ruskies.Anyways F 15's have shot down Foxbats
The SR-71 is the fastest and highflying jet but which aircraft is the fastest Jet fighter and thats the MIG 25.
Serbianpsyco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2006, 07:17 AM   #88 (permalink)
Captain Drunk
Banished
 
Captain Drunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-02-06
Location: Goa, India
Posts: 825
Quote:
Originally Posted by lemontree
IMO, both planes MiG-25 and SR-71 were excellent spy planes....
Agreed, but Foxbat was and still is the spy with a lisence to kill, while SR-71 was merely the undercover war photographer gathering information

Then again it’s not like Foxbat was a poor man’s SR-71, X-15 was a rich man’s Ferrari or the Mir Space Station was another’s million dollar luxury yatch. We’re talking fighter planes here and so, Foxbat wins the Mach race at 3.2. SR-71, X-15, etc. were for recee, research, and other purposes while X-43A wasn’t even a manned aircraft. If Russia wanted, they could have had their very own version of the X-15, its just that they didn’t think it seemed fit sending Cosmonauts for hypersonic joyrides to the edge of space then returning back to base with nothing gained but high static in their underwears

But if it came to pure speed, irrespective of the propulsion system, i.e. scramjets, rocket-propulsion, etc., there are several Russian Spaceplanes like MiG 105-11, Uragan Space Interceptor, BOR-5, LKS, etc. that were designed to be launched from Tupolevs and climb under their own power to subspace orbitals at hypersonic speeds, some exceeding Mach 18.

Last edited by Captain Drunk : 04-28-2006 at 07:35 AM.
Captain Drunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2006, 07:40 AM   #89 (permalink)
lemontree
Bandaid
Military Professional
 
Join Date: 10-04-04
Location: India
Posts: 5,916
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Drunk
Agreed, but Foxbat was and still is the spy with a lisence to kill, while SR-71 was merely the undercover war photographer gathering information
That is an understatement for an aircraft that has never had to be buried under the sand and has never been shot down.
lemontree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2006, 07:53 AM   #90 (permalink)
Captain Drunk
Banished
 
Captain Drunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-02-06
Location: Goa, India
Posts: 825
For the high-flyer spy, a state funeral with full military honours was but apt

Last edited by Captain Drunk : 04-28-2006 at 08:16 AM.
Captain Drunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A Marine named "Mitch" vaughn The World Wars 5 12-07-2007 02:04 AM
DICK...Cheney speedlover1994 Political Discussions 63 02-05-2007 03:24 AM
Scanning machine installed at AQ Khan’s house Ray Political Discussions 12 04-22-2006 06:43 AM
world's smallest flying machine giggs88 Science & Tech 4 02-07-2006 16:11 PM
Flying into the history books Neo Political Discussions 7 01-30-2006 10:48 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:22 AM.


Rochen is the business hosting sponsor of World Affairs Board and a provider of reseller web hosting services.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8