Farewell, the MiGnificent flying machine - Page 3

The_Burning_Kid · 04-24-2006, 15:43 PM

I bet this is just some 8 year old kid who thinks he's an expert because he reads on the internet.

urmomma158 · 04-24-2006, 18:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

"It is a gorgeous feeling to fly MIG-25. As it takes off and the nose goes up, it accelerates to three times the speed of sound and goes like a rocket. This feeling of flying high could not be touched by anything. I have taken a ride on roller-coaster in the US and its speed could not match with what I had experienced."

Now those were the words of Wing Commander Yogesh Suri, better known as "Yuri"

The Mach 2.83 speed was standard for better service life for the engines. During maintenance overhauls, fan blades, bearings, etc. were all changed and replaced regularly. All recee Foxbats have been made for Mach 3+ missions in the danger zone. Again regardless of whatever you guys "think", I believe Russia, NATO and the IAF know better.

To do the Mach 3 talk, you gotta do the Mach 3 walk

Yes we have walked the Mach 3 line the Sr 71 flies faster and higher than the Foxbat and has overflown Russia without getting shot down. Not to mention F 15's have taken down foxbats in combat (Israel and US).

Captain Drunk · 04-24-2006, 22:12 PM

At Mach 6, the Mig-105 "Spiral" still walks the talk better than anything else. Although SR-71s were intended to overfly Russia, they never did because Russia had the technology to shoot them down - 9 U-2s are known to have been shot down. The Syrian and Iraqi Foxbats weren't the Mach 3 recee versions. At Mach 3+ Russian and IAF Foxbats have always eluded F-4s, F-16s, F-15s, and the works in all their 25 years of service.

Captain Drunk · 04-24-2006, 22:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

So how much time have you spent at any kind of supersonic speeds?

When I find the time, I'm gonna go for those 'mig adventures' as a tourist to Moscow, fly a Foxbat and relish Mach 3 on the Mach Meter

Serbianpsyco · 04-25-2006, 02:48 AM

Sr-71 are fast and good for recon but they dont carry any missiles and thats were the mig 25 comes in but also the mig 31 is based on the mig 25 with better avionics bigger weapons load and also it has a state of the art radar with 200km Lock-On capabilty so that means it wont be able to catch but it can always lock on the missile and shoot it down beacuse missile is faster.

Captain Drunk · 04-25-2006, 03:50 AM

Exactly, as I was saying Comrade!

The_Burning_Kid · 04-25-2006, 07:35 AM

Two dumbasses in one area. Halarious. Do you realise the SR-71 has not been shot down by SAMS which are considerably faster than AAM? Now tell me how would an AAM shoot down an SR-71. It doesn't need to actually outrun the missile, it just has to get out of range before being hit, which at Mach 3, it does well.

Captain Drunk · 04-25-2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid

Now tell me how would an AAM shoot down an SR-71. It doesn't need to actually outrun the missile, it just has to get out of range before being hit, which at Mach 3, it does well.

There, finally you've learnt to think like a Buckaroo in a Mig!

Just like I've always said, a Foxbat pilot needn't outrun / outmanouver an AAM, he just has to get out of range before being hit, which at Mach 3, he does very well.

And thats precisley what all Foxbat pilots have done while eluding F-4s, F-16s, tangling with F-15s and downing an F-18. Stay out of the enemy's AAM range, then turn around for an Acrid shot. Also, no one said anything about an AAM taking down an SR-71, because it can't, same goes for a recee Mig-25R. While no SR-71s have been shot down as they never dared fly over Russia that had the required SAM technology to shoot them down. Thats probably the reason why they were retired.

hello · 04-25-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

To do the Mach 3 talk, you gotta do the Mach 3 walk

You should make that your signature, by now you've said it so many times.

Anyway, I think it was IPhoenix armed F-14s which took on intruding MiG-25s when the MiGs engines burnt out, if I'm not mistaken. A couple of MiG-25s strayed or were sent into territory patrolled by F-14s and the F-14s found them and launched Phoenix's. The MiG-25s detected the Phoenix launch on RWR, turned tail, and ran. They tried to cross or crossed Mach 3 and evaded the Phoenixs' but their engines got burnt out so badly that they eventually crashed or became useless. Although the Phoenix missile didn't directly kill the MiGs, indirectly, these were the only recorded combat Phoenix kills ever.

Also, MiG-25s were tracked flying at Mach 3.2 over Israel but it was said that the engines were completely burnt out and destroyed. Here's a link.

Captain Drunk · 04-25-2006, 09:29 AM

Never heard of a Tomcat - Foxbat showdown. On the contrary, it were Libyan Foxbats that chased F-14s back to the carrier in 1989. Then, in 1991, as wave after wave of F-14s and F-15s entered Iraqi airspace, escorted by A-6 and A-7 fighters, one Iraqi Foxbat took to the air, shot down an F-18, shot a missile at an A-6 and whizzed past another. Foxbats also saved the MiG-29s, which Saddam Hussein sent to Iran for safekeeping before the war broke out. The MiG-29s flew to safety while a few Foxbats engaged USAF's F-15s which tried to intercept the fleeing planes. The F-15s shot more than half a dozen missiles at the Foxbats, but the latter outflew all of them. These were still the Mach 2.83 Foxbats and not the Recee Mig-25s.

Nothing ever happened to that Mig-25 over Israel, it landed safely in Egypt. If its engines had flamed out, that 35-tonne plane would have fallen into the Dead Sea like a rock.

urmomma158 · 04-25-2006, 16:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

At Mach 6, the Mig-105 "Spiral" still walks the talk better than anything else. Although SR-71s were intended to overfly Russia, they never did because Russia had the technology to shoot them down - 9 U-2s are known to have been shot down. The Syrian and Iraqi Foxbats weren't the Mach 3 recee versions. At Mach 3+ Russian and IAF Foxbats have always eluded F-4s, F-16s, F-15s, and the works in all their 25 years of service.

Well have you ver heard of the X 15 it goes mach 7. Hyper X is mach 10.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-15 True Blackbirds havent flown over the most heavily defended areas but some areas. It penetrated many more countries airspace and not shot down a single time by fighters or sams unlike the foxbat. Well the foxbats that eluded them were not necessarily well trained or equipped. Against well trainded, and well equipped adversaries the Foxbat has been shot down (Israel & US).

The_Burning_Kid · 04-25-2006, 21:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

When I find the time, I'm gonna go for those 'mig adventures' as a tourist to Moscow, fly a Foxbat and relish Mach 3 on the Mach Meter

And hopefully you'll crash in some remote area where there is no computer access, though, hopefully you won't die so you can suffer at the destruction of your beliefs on the Foxbat.

Serbianpsyco · 04-25-2006, 21:52 PM

But i dont see the SR-71 doing a combat role the Mig 25 was not made for Recossine only it was made for also attack and sr-71 has a bigger engine then the mig 25 and also burning kid mig 25 engines when they exceed dont burn out what kind of fake website did you go onto plus the 2.8mach is standard speed and they put it like thats a speed that you can go fast and close to mach 3 so the airframe and the engines last as long as possible.

Anon · 04-25-2006, 21:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fkbello

Reconaissance is certainly the only thing SR-71's were good at. And for a substantially higher price than the Foxbats.

Godspeed MiG-25!

It's a shame that clown was already zapped, i'd have loved to tear into him real good.

Anon · 04-25-2006, 22:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Visigoth

Did you know that a MiG-25PD recorded the only Iraqi air-to-air kill of the Gulf War? It dropped an F-18C on the first night of the war--then went on to fire another missile at an A-6 and buzz an A-7, all while avoiding escorting F-14s and F-15s.
An isolated incident? How about the single Iraqi Foxbat-E that eluded eight sweeping F-15s then tangled with two EF-111As, firing three missiles at the Ravens and chasing them off station. Unfortunately, the Ravens were supporting an F-15E strike, and the EF-111's retreat led to the loss of one of the Strike Eagles to a SAM. Oh BTW, the Foxbat easily avoided interception and returned safely to base.

There's more. When F-15 pilots were fighting for the chance to fly sweeps east of Baghdad late in the war, itching for a chance to get a shot at an Iraqi running for Iran, they weren't expecting the fight that a pair of Foxbats put up. Two Foxbats approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles before the Eagles could get off shots (the missiles were evaded by the Eagles), then outran those two Eagles, four Sparrows and two Sidewinders fired back at them. Two more Eagles maneuvered to cut the Foxbat's off from their base (four more Eagles tried, but were unable to effect an intercept), and four more Sparrows were expended in vain trying to drop the Foxbats.
Not as useless an aircraft as everyone has made it out to be..

Links please?

I've never heard ANY of those stories before. To "Buzz" an A7 a mig-25 would have to be very low. Mig-25s NEVER operate very low. An F-15C is almost as fast as a Mig-25btw(2.5+ vs 2.8), and a Sparrow(or AMRAAM) is almost 800mph faster.

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04-24-2006, 22:12 PM	#33 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	At Mach 6, the Mig-105 "Spiral" still walks the talk better than anything else. Although SR-71s were intended to overfly Russia, they never did because Russia had the technology to shoot them down - 9 U-2s are known to have been shot down. The Syrian and Iraqi Foxbats weren't the Mach 3 recee versions. At Mach 3+ Russian and IAF Foxbats have always eluded F-4s, F-16s, F-15s, and the works in all their 25 years of service.

04-25-2006, 02:48 AM	#35 (permalink)
Serbianpsyco Regular Join Date: 04-19-06 Posts: 35	Sr-71 are fast and good for recon but they dont carry any missiles and thats were the mig 25 comes in but also the mig 31 is based on the mig 25 with better avionics bigger weapons load and also it has a state of the art radar with 200km Lock-On capabilty so that means it wont be able to catch but it can always lock on the missile and shoot it down beacuse missile is faster.

04-25-2006, 03:50 AM	#36 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	Exactly, as I was saying Comrade!

04-25-2006, 07:35 AM	#37 (permalink)
The_Burning_Kid Contributor Join Date: 10-07-05 Posts: 444	Two dumbasses in one area. Halarious. Do you realise the SR-71 has not been shot down by SAMS which are considerably faster than AAM? Now tell me how would an AAM shoot down an SR-71. It doesn't need to actually outrun the missile, it just has to get out of range before being hit, which at Mach 3, it does well.

04-25-2006, 09:29 AM	#40 (permalink)
Captain Drunk Banished Join Date: 01-02-06 Location: Goa, India Posts: 825	Never heard of a Tomcat - Foxbat showdown. On the contrary, it were Libyan Foxbats that chased F-14s back to the carrier in 1989. Then, in 1991, as wave after wave of F-14s and F-15s entered Iraqi airspace, escorted by A-6 and A-7 fighters, one Iraqi Foxbat took to the air, shot down an F-18, shot a missile at an A-6 and whizzed past another. Foxbats also saved the MiG-29s, which Saddam Hussein sent to Iran for safekeeping before the war broke out. The MiG-29s flew to safety while a few Foxbats engaged USAF's F-15s which tried to intercept the fleeing planes. The F-15s shot more than half a dozen missiles at the Foxbats, but the latter outflew all of them. These were still the Mach 2.83 Foxbats and not the Recee Mig-25s. Nothing ever happened to that Mig-25 over Israel, it landed safely in Egypt. If its engines had flamed out, that 35-tonne plane would have fallen into the Dead Sea like a rock.

04-25-2006, 21:52 PM	#43 (permalink)
Serbianpsyco Regular Join Date: 04-19-06 Posts: 35	But i dont see the SR-71 doing a combat role the Mig 25 was not made for Recossine only it was made for also attack and sr-71 has a bigger engine then the mig 25 and also burning kid mig 25 engines when they exceed dont burn out what kind of fake website did you go onto plus the 2.8mach is standard speed and they put it like thats a speed that you can go fast and close to mach 3 so the airframe and the engines last as long as possible.

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