kNikS

Of course, but I wouldn't do it if there isn't a concensus about that. In this case... I'm just in small-boy mood.

Something like this?

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kNikS

Croatian girls have a reputation of being horny.

Bluesman

MODS!!! KILL!!!

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kNikS

I did? OMG!!! I'm doomed!!! It's contagious!!!

TopHatter

kNikS. Curb that line of thinking before it hits your keyboard. I'm not kidding.

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kNikS

Ok. I didn't wanted to be offensive. Thing is that all girls here are, you know, a bit open minded.

Edit: Just to explain few more things. Serbian and Croatian language is practically the same. Apart from few different words, difference is in articulation, so it sounds quite hmm..open minded for Serbian standards, especially when some hot Croatian girl is talking to you. I know that from the first hand, I had a Croatian girlfriend after high school.

So, as you see TH, my comment was rather affirmative than offensive. I assume that people here don't prefer nuns, right?

TopHatter

kNikS,
Are you not getting this? Putting words and phrases like "rape" and "all girls here are a bit open minded" together is extremely repugnant to many people here. Especially me.

kNikS

Note: You posted this before I edited last post.

You don't really think that I am a rapist or that I aprove that? In any case I'm sorry if I choosen the wrong words to picture situation that I intended to.

Captain Drunk

My way of referring to how the thread bidding farewell to the IAF Foxbat, ended up being an SR-71 vs. Mig-25 one, with a little sarcasm

TopHatter

That was the problem, thank you for recognizing it.

kNikS

Any time. I hope that I explained what I wanted to say and I hope you recognized what that was.

Or you consider me a rapist?

urmomma158

You make no sense whatsoever. Do you have anything else to say?

InlineSix

Here are some nice facts(not fiction) about the M(agnificent)iG-25.

About the top speed discussion, the MiG 25/31 book states...

‘’Some design deficiencies were discovered
during tests - and they were discovered the
hard way after some fatal crashes. For example,
when the pilot pulled 5g during a manoeuvre,
the wingtips were deflected up to 70cm (2ft
Sin) from normal position, which could result in
aileron reversal and loss of control. Rather than
change the wing design, the designers imposed
a Mach 2.83 speed limit on the MiG-25."(This is for the prototype version)

‘’Controllability remained inadequate, and
breaking the Mach 2.83 speed limit could
cause serious problems for the pilot or even
prove fatal.’’(Prototype also)

here's something that makes this aircraft really special. It was(and still is) much more manueverable than the a-12/yf-12/sr-71 family which were all pretty limited

‘’The closed-circuit flights entailed high g
loads and sharp bank angles, the aircraft and
pilot being subjected to these flight modes for
considerable periods. On the 100km circuit, for
instance, flight at 4g and 75° bank angle
totalled about 2.5 minutes. Total time on the
500km circuit was about 10 minutes and twice
as much on the 2,000km. During this time the
aircraft experienced peak thermal loads.’’

the record held by the prototype

‘’Three months after the
sensational flypast, Mikoyan test pilot Mikhail M
Komarov averaged 2,982.5km/h (1,864mph)
over a 500km (312.5 mile) closed circuit. The
same day, Fedotov took a 1,000kg (2,204lb)
payload to an altitude of 29,977m (98,349.7ft).
These impressive records gave the Western
world a clearer idea of the new MiG's performance.’’

the sr vs mig saga...

‘’The Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird, a strategic
reconnaissance aircraft with remarkable speed
and altitude capabilities, was completing its
flight test programme at the time. The MiG-25P
was the only real means of countering the
Blackbird threat; therefore, the PVO top command
wanted major industrial centres and
important military bases, especially in the eastern
and northern regions of the USSR, to be
protected by MiG-25Ps.’’
‘’This was a singularly important point in the
aircraft's career as the service tests were completed
and the MiG-25P achieved initial operational
capability. During the service tests, live
missile launches were made at the Nil VVS test
range. For the first time R-40 missiles were fired
successfully at targets in the aircraft's forward
and rear hemisphere flying at 20,000m and
speeds of up to 2,700km/h (1,687.5mph). This
proved that the MiG-25P was actually capable
of intercepting and destroying the SR-71. In
general, the service tests went well and the
'bugs' that came up were quickly ironed out.
each wing.’’

For MiG 25RB version

‘’The aircraft's manoeuvrability and the thrust
of its massive turbojets enabled it to fly horizontally,
albeit decelerating, at altitudes exceeding
its service ceiling. The effective maximum horizontal
flight ceiling in full afterburner with
3,300kg (7,275lb) of fuel remaining at the end
of the flight was 26,000-27,000m (85,301-
88,582 ft). The MiG-25RB could exceed Mach
2.4 for 15 minutes but a Mach 2.65-2.83 dash
was not to exceed five minutes. Cruising time at
speeds below Mach 2.4 was unlimited.’’


This clearly shows how much more room was left for improvement. It could have been an even faster aircraft, which is remarkable when you compare it with the a-12/sr-71 design. This was much cheaper and simpler, yet it worked(sometimes it worked even better)

‘’MiG-25M (Ye-266M) Development
The 1972 directive ordering the service entry of
the MiG-25RB, 'RBK and 'RBS also elaborated
on the upgrade possibilities of the basic design.
The military wanted an increase in range
at low and medium altitude and an increase in
ceiling and maximum speed.
The Mach 2.83 speed limit imposed on the
MiG-25 was purely theoretical, since the aircraft
had the potential to go faster from the very start.
High speeds reduced lateral stability and service
life, but there were cases of pilots exceeding
the speed limit without harming the aircraft.
Therefore, the designers intended to reach a
Mach 3.0-3.2 top speed so that the MiG-25
could outperform its arch-rival, the SR-71A -
the world's fastest recce aircraft. This could be
achieved by fitting the MiG-25 with more powerful
and fuel-efficient engines.
As far back as the early 1960s, a group of
engine designers led by Shukhov and Rotmistrov
proposed a comprehensive upgrade of
the R15B-300 turbojet. The idea materialised as
the uprated R15BF2-300, Izdelye 65M. The
improvement in performance was achieved by
adding a compressor stage and increasing the
combustion chamber and turbine temperatures.
As compared with the R15B-300, the
R15BF2-300 had a lower specific fuel consumption,
a higher thrust (10,000kgp/22,045lb
st dry and 13,230 to 14,500kgp/29,166 to
31,966lb st reheat) and a higher compressor
pressure ratio (4.95 vs 4.75).
The two engines were perfectly interchangeable,
having identical dimensions and mount-
ings. Providing the airframe was made more
heat-resistant (that is, because of the higher
turbine temperature), the new engines offered
a substantial increase in rate of climb, ceiling,
range and speed (up to 3,500km/h, or
2,187mph).
The re-engined MiG-25 never entered production
- for several reasons. First was the test
programmes of two new aircraft, the MiG-25
Izdelye 99 and the MiG-31, which also began in
1975. Both aircraft were powered by the
Solov'yov PS-30F (D-30F) engine with a similar
rating but a lower specific fuel consumption
(SFC). Second, the aero engine factories were
tied up with other orders and could not produce
the R15BF2-300. Finally, the PVO top command
was more interested in the MiG-31 than
in an upgrade of the existing MiG-25. Therefore,
the MiG-25 programme was terminated.’’

and another possible MiG-25 version...

MiG-25PA(Ye-155PA) Interceptor
In the mid-1960s the Mikoyan OKB was working
on an interceptor project referred to as the
Ye-155PA. This aircraft was to be capable of
destroying targets flying anywhere between
100 and 30,000m (328 - 98,425 ft) at speeds of
3,500 to 4,000km/h (2,187 - 2,500 mph). To this
end, it was to be equipped with the brand-new
'Smerch-100' radar, later renamed 'Zaslon'
(Shield), and armed with the equally new R-100
missiles. The powerplant consisted of two
R15BV-300 turbojets with an improved high
altitude performance (Vysotnyy - high altitude)
which would take the aircraft to Mach 3.5.



and some "action" foxbats over Israel

Ensuring flight safety turned out to be a
major difficulty. To avoid encounters with Israeli
Sorties over Israeli-held territory involved
cruising in full afterburner for about 40 minutes.
Air temperature in the intake ducts reached
320°C; the aircraft skin was not much colder
either (303°C). By then, the Tumanskii design
bureau had extended engine running time in
full afterburner from three to eight minutes and
then to 40 minutes. Thus, virtually all sorties
could be flown at maximum thrust; the R15B-
300 turbojets proved reliable enough and gave
no problems in the hot Egyptian climate.
(as you can clearly see here, there was really no danger of overheating the engines. They could spent the entire flight in a full afterburner mode, much like the J-58s used in the OXCART)

"The Israelis did have a reason to be nervous.
Among the support equipment and other paraphernalia
Det 63 had brought with them were
bomb racks for the two strike capable 'RBs and
FAB-500M-62T low drag bombs, specially
developed for supersonic bombing. Each aircraft
could carry up to eight such weapons;
after being released at high altitude they could
sail through the air for miles and miles. However,
the Soviet pilots' missions did not include
bombing."

the famous Mach 3.2 incident clearly shows that the aircraft suffered no damage from the heat and the speed, and neither did the engines(how the hell would you land an 30 ton Mach3 bird with no engines!!!????)


As an excuse for their inability to intercept the
elusive MiGs the Israeli air defences stated that
'the object was clocked at Mach 3.2'! However,
the flight recorders of the MiGs showed there
were no major deviations from the prescribed
flight profile. The aircraft were not always flown
by the book. On one occasion Bezhevets
exceeded the 'red line' to get away from pursuing
Phantoms; the flight recorder showed that
the Mach limit had been more than tripled(l).
Other sources state that it was WS pilot
Krasnogorskiy who should walk away with the
record (and get the 'speeding ticket'), as he
reached 3,400km/h (2,125mph) in one of the
sorties. This was dangerous because the airframe
could be damaged by overheating, but
careful inspection of the aircraft showed no
apparent damage. Still, the pilots received an
unambiguous 'debriefing' afterthis incident.


So, before you trash one of the most significant aircraft ever built, you better learn something about it

urmomma158

^^^^ Nice post!!

TopHatter

Your comment caused eyebrows and tempers to rise quickly:

As far as I am concerned, the matter is completed, no need to hash it out more here in the forums. If you wish, you can PM me.