Favorite Foreign Jet - Page 5

gunnut · 07-23-2007, 22:03 PM

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Originally Posted by omeko3

F-35, Yak-141, Yak 38.

F-35: not in service yet.

Yak-141: prototype?

Yak-38: range of 30 miles.

urmomma158 · 07-24-2007, 18:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxus

LOL, your trying to compared the Mig-25 and the F/A-22, what a joke.

The F/A-22 in tests against the Su-27SK scored a kill to death ratio of 12 to 1 and a kill to death ratio of 10 to 1 against the Su-30MKK. The only thing that comes remotly close to this is the Eurofighter which has a kill to death ratio against the Su-30 of 4 to 1.

The Mig-25 couldn't beat an F-16C Block 50 or above it would get slaughtered.

12 to 1 huh?
answer this

Can the F 22 hold 12 missiles internally ?

besides the Mig 25/31 arent meant as fighters to combat planes. they're designed to take out bombers like the B-52/B-1/XB 70 etc. They've got the perfect tools for the job

-supercruise
-extensive eccm
-long range missile(AA-9 amos)
-good connectivity to ground stations and other Mig 31's

Flying a Mig 25/31 against a fighter is a mismatch but they don't even need to fight. With their supercruise any subsonic fighter can be outrun. Their large powerful radars with extensive ECCM are perfectly suited to detect bombers at long ranges and so are their missiles(large warheads).Foxhounds communicate via secure datalink sharing targeting information so not all foxhounds have to give their positions away. Also when multiple paltforms link up they can share data allowing them to shoot an AMOS on scan mode(radar) without setting off RWR's.The datalink is good enough that the foxbats can send and receive data from a good distance.The AMOS is perfectly capable of engaging targets from the SR 71 to a cruise missile(just not suited to fast maneuvering targets).

glyn · 07-24-2007, 18:36 PM

US Navy Douglas F4D Skyray of the 1950s. As I'm not an American, it's foreign to me, alright?

GGTharos · 07-24-2007, 18:43 PM

IIRC the AA-9 uses a conscan seeker which is rather susceptible to ECM. A good weapon against cruise missiles maybe.

As for the datalink ... a lot of modern fighters have datalink.

**Parihaka** · 07-24-2007, 18:53 PM

I'll go with "Account" on this one LOL.
The English Electric Lightning.
I once heard a story that a Blackbird was at full cruising height when two Lightnings appeared, not below it but above it, standing on their tails but still higher. Don't know if it's a myth or not, perhaps Glyn can confirm.

ArmchairGeneral · 07-24-2007, 21:27 PM

Yeah, the Lightning was pretty incredible. Wasn't it capable of supercruise?

Jimmy · 07-25-2007, 00:42 AM

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Originally Posted by urmomma158

12 to 1 huh?
answer this

Can the F 22 hold 12 missiles internally ?

Typically they'll include the entire exercise, not a 1v1 scenario. If its a 4v4, a 12-1 ratio would involve "red air" regenerating twice (they die, fly back to a certain point, and suddenly become alive again).

I would not be surprised to see a 2-ship of Raptors get a 12-0 or 12-1 ratio (the 1 death would probably be in a merge after they've already killed the adversaries).

glyn · 07-25-2007, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

I'll go with "Account" on this one LOL.
The English Electric Lightning.
I once heard a story that a Blackbird was at full cruising height when two Lightnings appeared, not below it but above it, standing on their tails but still higher. Don't know if it's a myth or not, perhaps Glyn can confirm.

Ha! I only once flew in a Lightning and that was a 2 holer at Gutersloh in the 60s. As the total duration was only 40 minutes I cannot claim to be an authority. My 'local' ex-Lightning driver now lives in New Zealand, flying tourists to and from Fiji. I seem to remember him saying that they were not supposed to go above 60,000' as they were not issued with 'space' clothing. Will check with the Pilots Notes. The SR-71 was optimised for high altitude high speed flight, and the Lightning as a day point interceptor so those horses were meant for different courses.

urmomma158 · 07-25-2007, 21:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Typically they'll include the entire exercise, not a 1v1 scenario. If its a 4v4, a 12-1 ratio would involve "red air" regenerating twice (they die, fly back to a certain point, and suddenly become alive again).

I would not be surprised to see a 2-ship of Raptors get a 12-0 or 12-1 ratio (the 1 death would probably be in a merge after they've already killed the adversaries).

i thought he was referring to DERA. If I am wrong I stand corrected.

The Chap · 07-25-2007, 23:41 PM

The Citation Excel.

Silent Hunter · 08-24-2007, 15:45 PM

Su-27 and Tu-22M.

Feanor · 08-24-2007, 18:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GGTharos

IIRC the AA-9 uses a conscan seeker which is rather susceptible to ECM. A good weapon against cruise missiles maybe.

As for the datalink ... a lot of modern fighters have datalink.

Mig-25 isn't really modern.

GGTharos · 08-24-2007, 20:59 PM

Neither is the F-104, and it had a Dlink too

michaeljguess · 08-28-2007, 21:39 PM

I'd love to say the Rafale as it looks so beautiful but I cant because it's French and smells of Garlic. The Harrier looks graceful like a bird but its British so that rules that out. For me its the MiG-29 or the F15-E; they look the business.

The EE Lightning was just two engines with some wings bolted to it so it could get to the Russian bombers in a few minutes was it not? For such a functional aircraft it does look good though. They painted them all silver as well didn't they? The aircraft equivalent of go-faster-stripes.

<Mike>

braindead · 08-29-2007, 02:08 AM

V-bombers Victor and Vulcan

07-24-2007, 18:36 PM	#63 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,531	US Navy Douglas F4D Skyray of the 1950s. As I'm not an American, it's foreign to me, alright? __________________ Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

07-24-2007, 18:43 PM	#64 (permalink)
GGTharos Contributor Join Date: 10-06-06 Posts: 357	IIRC the AA-9 uses a conscan seeker which is rather susceptible to ECM. A good weapon against cruise missiles maybe. As for the datalink ... a lot of modern fighters have datalink. Last edited by GGTharos : 07-24-2007 at 19:25 PM.

07-24-2007, 18:53 PM	#65 (permalink)
Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,465 Country:	I'll go with "Account" on this one LOL. The English Electric Lightning. I once heard a story that a Blackbird was at full cruising height when two Lightnings appeared, not below it but above it, standing on their tails but still higher. Don't know if it's a myth or not, perhaps Glyn can confirm. __________________ In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

07-24-2007, 21:27 PM	#66 (permalink)
ArmchairGeneral Devil's Advocate *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-03-06 Location: The boonies of NC, USA. Posts: 2,746 Country:	Yeah, the Lightning was pretty incredible. Wasn't it capable of supercruise? __________________ "Apocalyptic thought is curiously pleasurable." -Theodore Dalrymple

07-25-2007, 23:41 PM	#70 (permalink)
The Chap *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-18-04 Location: UK Posts: 1,181 Country:	Cargo? The Citation Excel. __________________ Where's the bloody gin? An army marches on its liver, not its ruddy stomach.

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Silent Hunter Contributor Join Date: 08-09-07 Location: London, UK Posts: 513 Country:	Su-27 and Tu-22M.

08-24-2007, 20:59 PM	#73 (permalink)
GGTharos Contributor Join Date: 10-06-06 Posts: 357	Neither is the F-104, and it had a Dlink too

08-28-2007, 21:39 PM	#74 (permalink)
michaeljguess New Member Join Date: 08-28-07 Posts: 5	I'd love to say the Rafale as it looks so beautiful but I cant because it's French and smells of Garlic. The Harrier looks graceful like a bird but its British so that rules that out. For me its the MiG-29 or the F15-E; they look the business. The EE Lightning was just two engines with some wings bolted to it so it could get to the Russian bombers in a few minutes was it not? For such a functional aircraft it does look good though. They painted them all silver as well didn't they? The aircraft equivalent of go-faster-stripes. <Mike>

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braindead Lost in Translation *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-30-06 Location: estonia Posts: 1,258 Country:	V-bombers Victor and Vulcan __________________ ....

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