russo

My list:
Mig-15
Mig-31
Su-25
Su-35
An-225
Me-262 =)

Captain C
>Actually the Russians have an upgrade kit for the Su-27 to bring it up to Su-30 standards.

Be careful with designations. Sukhoi makes it very confusing. In fact, Su-30's are Su-27UB, training airplanes. Think of Su-30 as of Su-27B =) Maybe you meant Su-30K or Su-30MK?

Praxus

>The F/A-22 in tests against the Su-27SK scored a kill to death ratio of 12 to 1 and a kill to death ratio of 10 to 1 against the Su-30MKK. The only thing that comes remotly close to this is the Eurofighter which has a kill to death ratio against the Su-30 of 4 to 1.

It's the second time you say it without any proof. Could you please provide a link?

Anon

Actually Russo, you should be picking NON russian planes.

russo

"Actually Russo, you should be picking NON russian planes"

But in the context, I should've picked non-american planes :-)

Ok, Bell X-1, F-86, YF-12, Rafale, Me-262, An-225 (technically it's foreign), um...I kinda like the F-16 too

Praxus

Do your own damn research.

Garry

Could you please give any prove of that? I really doubt on that escpecially with chinese su-30mkk..... To my knowledge actual test could never have happened. Are you talking about some stupid computer simulations?

So far only F-15 of varios versions was tested against different flakers (much earlier than Cope India) and failed badly......

ajaybhutani

Hey i do wanna know how Rafale Eurofighter MKI gripen etc. performed against the F22 if they did some simulations on the same. BTW can u please post the link ...

Se7eN

I'd say the Su-27/37's and MiG 29's for favorite airframe. All look similar so I'll lump them into one.

Se7eN

In all fairness, based on what we know, it's probable and likely the F-22 will dominate their Russian counterparts. I wont validate a 12:1 ratio, but I'm positive it's in the F-22's favor.

The only signifigant changes on the Su's is the changes in vector thrust. It is useless other than for airshows. Close range dogfighting died a long time ago. The F-22's stealth would give it an advantage in that it could fire it's long-range missiles long before the Su even knew he was there.

Fury

How is this kill ratio 12:1 calculated anyway, sounds crazy you would shoot down 12 planes before you're shot down Imagine 2 F-22 against 24 Mig-25, you would ran out missiles and cannons won't do damn thing in aircombat nowdays. Its up to the pilot how well an aircraft performs.

Franco Lolan

its important that f22 b very good b/c USAF is at a technological disadvantage v. most large advanced airforces in regards to fighter v. fighter. i get Code One (the official Lockheed Martin mag) at school, + LM is saying its incredible. i take that dubiously but i hope so. its a good mag, nice pix. said in an engagement 1 f22 waxed 5 f15s, the f15s never detected the f22. even though f22 isnt on par w/ most really nice fighters, it sounds auspicious.

Garry

I checked and now can state that Prax info about actual test of F-22 against any Su-30 flanker is just false as of September 2004. They never met. Especially Su-30MKK (last K stands for China, just like I stands for India in MKI). I can tell it with 100% certainty. So he is referring to either a computer simulation, or complete bull****.

Regarding thrust vectoring Russian flankers (Su-27UB) have proved in mock combat with F-15 that vertical thrust vectoring was essential in 1994 in Alaska.

I had a talk with a pilot who participated in US/Russia training back in 1994. He gave me his interesting interpretaion of long/short engagement of SU-27 vs F-15

"if we engage at a front courses then reaction time for F-15 is less than 1.5 minutes at distance of 100km, later it we come too close to shoot with long-ranges is then it is too late for him, as I will definetelly knock him in close engagement" ..... "my reaction is to dip down using a verticle trust verctoring, but it is limited to ability of a pilot to remain concioous at a such a maneuvre.... if I dip down bellow 0.5km at a front course the proctor will consider his missile ineffected....." He explained that if missile has to home you while you are having land as you background then no chance to hit the target. In his words during this meneuvres where 5 SU-27 participated they have grossly outplayed US F-15C fighters.

So yes - Trurst Vectoring is important. As well as Stealthy low visibility. Today F-22 has an edge due to its low visibility. Tomorrow new onboard radars would make it less efficient, and then a Flanker would be superior in both long-range and short range. Avionics and weaponry are matching. Flanker has better aerodynamics capabilities to both F-15 and F-22.

For now there is only one thing which will definetelly protect Raptor - engine capable supersonic speeds without afterburning. Raptor can escape any opponent and fly away

Garry

I checked and now can state that Prax info about actual test of F-22 against any Su-30 flanker is just false as of September 2004. They never met. Especially Su-30MKK (last K stands for China, just like I stands for India in MKI). I can tell it with 100% certainty. So he is referring to either a computer simulation, or complete bull****.

Regarding thrust vectoring Russian flankers (Su-27UB) have proved in mock combat with F-15 that vertical thrust vectoring was essential in 1994 in Alaska.

I had a talk with a pilot who participated in US/Russia training back in 1994. He gave me his interesting interpretaion of long/short engagement of SU-27 vs F-15

"if we engage at a front courses then reaction time for F-15 is less than 1.5 minutes at distance of 100km, later it we come too close to shoot with long-ranges is then it is too late for him, as I will definetelly knock him in close engagement" ..... "my reaction is to dip down using a verticle trust verctoring, but it is limited to ability of a pilot to remain concioous at a such a maneuvre.... if I dip down bellow 0.5km at a front course the proctor will consider his missile ineffected....." He explained that if missile has to home you while you are having land as you background then no chance to hit the target. In his words during this meneuvres where 5 SU-27 participated they have grossly outplayed US F-15C fighters.

So yes - Trurst Vectoring is important. As well as Stealthy low visibility. Today F-22 has an edge due to its low visibility. Tomorrow new onboard radars would make it less efficient, and then a Flanker would be superior in both long-range and short range. Avionics and weaponry are matching. Flanker has better aerodynamics capabilities to both F-15 and F-22.

Then there is only one thing which will definetelly protect Raptor - engine capable supersonic speeds without afterburning. Raptor can escape any opponent and fly away

Hawg166

My favourite foreign jets are the Jaguar and the Grippen.

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barrowaj

My favorite was always the MiG-25 Foxbat. Not because its really that badass of a plane, but that everyone thought it was during the 60s. Its capabilities were way overestimated, but that is what built its reputation. The Clint Eastwood movie firefox was inspired by the plane...

It really looks cool, and has a cool name too. It sure is fast (Mach 2.8), its not a good plane to fly in a dogfight, as it can only pull 5-7 Gs.

However, in reference to Praxis's comment, in the first Gulf War an Iraqi MiG-25 supposedly shot down a US F-18C, but has not been confirmed.

khruschev

A MiG-31 radar can easily pick any steath aircraft produced so far. There were some tests performed on the ground as well as in the air, where a certain missile with RAM cover, and Low Detectable Surface has been fired in the air, and quickly picked on the radar of MiG-31. You can't really compare a MiG-25 to F/A-22 since Raptor is just entering service while the Foxbat is a very old plane, which still holds many world records...