Thread: FACE/OFF : “Topgun” USN F-14 vs. USAF F-15

Originally Posted by Captain Drunk

Wrong! Flanker is currently the best carrier borne fighter, heres a visual source to prove it. Watch it flip backward in a cobra maneuver :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDFP...search=flanker

those are SU 33's jackass.

F-15’s APG-63 could not “see” the Migs as they dived and stalled in the vertical plane appearing stationary and hence went off their radar, when they came close, the ‘21s too them by surprise.

You're talking of a 0 doppler shift maneuver, well that's nice but that dosn't mean that tactic will work all the time. IFf 2 F-15's go against 2 21's doing a vertical climb or flying sideways it will work but F 15's coming from 2 different directions or radars scanning at veey different angles, you had better use your ejection seat.

Anyway big deal even if those F-15s didn’t have APG-63(v)2/3 ASEAs, Flankers will not have the Russian ASEA version by 2012 – the Ibris radar currently being designed by India and Russia together modifying the mechanically steered N011M Bars series which is passive ESA into an ASEA type. Then the KS - 172 AAM too was not available to the MKI. Hence no ASEA radar / missiles for F-15 & MKI - fair and square for both.

Future AESA"s you really are a jackass. Some F 15's already have the AESA and it's already in use. They didn't have them in Cope India 2004.

I don’t believe in all that bull about the 20nm range restriction and even if all engagements were designed for close range, that would all the more make it in favour of the US planes not the long range interceptor Floggers & Fishbeds that can’t dogfight.

Refute it. Everyone knows that the no escape zone of a BVR missile is around that much (Phoenix is 13 miles). With an AESA set you will see the missiles coming a long way out and evade them. I find it rather funny that you always assume F 15's will never dodge a phoenix before it goes in to the no escape zone while amraams will always be dodged. Shows how you have no consideration for facts and will say anything as long as it suits you.You are a little kid around 12 years old with the intelligence of a 5 year old and a true arrogant little shithead.

The F-15SG (formerly the F-15T) and F-15K are variants of the F-15E, basically for ground attack and inferior to the Cope India F-15Cs in every aspect for A2A combat. Another interesting fact – there are enough sources that prove fully stocked F-15s with all missiles / fuel tanks onboard have a max speed of only Mach 1.78 that pins the Eagle nearer to its grave than the F-18, but I don’t think in reality that’s really true, neither is it relevant to give the sources, they’re easy to find i.e. just google “Mach 1.78 F-15”

Applies to all fighters by saying that I can tell you hate the F15 and will say anything to make it look bad. You disgust me you little d*ck

Originally Posted by urmomma158

those are SU 33's jackass.

Future AESA"s you really are a jackass. You are a little kid around 12 years old with the intelligence of a 5 year old and a true arrogant little shithead.

Applies to all fighters by saying that I can tell you hate the F15 and will say anything to make it look bad. You disgust me you little d*ck

urmomma158, Stop the personal attacks or go elsewhere. You've had more than enough warnings.

Originally Posted by TopHatter

urmomma158, Stop the personal attacks or go elsewhere. You've had more than enough warnings.

I guess I seriosuly will have to stop the personal attacks. I need to restart the anger managemnt sessions.